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  • Why can't ALMS reduce the number of classes?

    Serious question,

    Wouldn't Audi still run if P2 was the P class?

    Same for the GT class. Can't they do "something" so that the Corvettes run in a GT class?

    I noticed there were Astin Martins in both GT1 and GT2.

    Why do they NEED four classes?

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    P1 is going to be all closed top cars soon, so there are going to be the big bore, closed top GTP type prototypes like the Peugeot, more tire, more power, more weight.

    P2 is the lighter, less powerful, less tire, more nimble open top cars. On the longer, natural terrain courses they do not do as well but due to so much street racing in the US for them, they have an advantage.

    GT1 is basically production based prototypes, kind of an oxymoron, but very little of those cars goes unmodified and they are allowed much greater liberties in everything.

    GT2 is modified production based cars and the most restrictive, cheapest to enter class which is what fills out the fields.

    What would happen to eliminate classes and still have full fields is that the prototype cars would have to be handicapped significantly to keep them in touch with the slower GT cars, and they would be no faster than Daytona Prototypes.

    They need the slower GT2 class cars because a lot of teams and drivers are involved with them and they really provide a good chunk of the field. The GT1 cars are supposed to be a manufacturer showcase for the fastest racing cars with a street equivalent in the world, and it gets a lot of marketing for the series. GM would not be as involved if they had to run GT class Corvettes. Both classes somewhat mirror FIA GT in Europe.

    Basically, what it comes down to is the P2 cars aren't supposed to have an advantage on the P1 cars, and P1 is becoming something else entirely. You'll have big bore closed prototypes, light and nimble open prototypes, really fast GT1 Corvettes, Aston-Martins, Ferraris, etc., and then all the privateers duking it out in the slower class. It's no different than IMSA Camel GTP, Camel Lights, GTO and GTU.

    Any more than four classes is ridiculous and any less than four is compromising the purpose of the class system.
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    • #3
      Err, if they don't run Le Mans rules then they're not the American Le Mans Series anymore. Does the ICS need to run IndyCars?

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      • #4
        And what would you use for a feeder series?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by crispy
          Serious question,

          Wouldn't Audi still run if P2 was the P class?

          Same for the GT class. Can't they do "something" so that the Corvettes run in a GT class?

          I noticed there were Astin Martins in both GT1 and GT2.

          Why do they NEED four classes?
          There are 4 types of cars in ALMS. The aforementioned prototypes that MPG broke down so well, and the 2 GT classes. The GT1's are the "Prep 2" or tube frame race cars that bear a resemblence to street cars. GT2 cars are based on street car chassis, prepped for racing. So the 2 different Astons are nothing alike, except maybe the shillouette that they have. GT1 is a manufacturers playground, Chevy, Aston, Ferrari have all run there, and run well. GT2 is a relatively cheap way to run a team in ALMS. You can buy a car, turnkey from Porsche, and know that your chassis is comprable to those already racing. It's the refinements, spares and tweaks that cost money.

          P1 is the Manufacturer playground in Prototypes, privateers have little chance of getting a competitive chassis on the grid to beat Audi, Peugot, and the like. P2 is where a privateer can buy a Porsche LM Spyder, Lola, Pesclaro, etc, and have a 'reasonable chance' of doing well. Once the new P1 rules come on line, and the P2 cars have less chance of winning overall races, you'll see Acura, Porsche and other factory teams make the move up to P1, and the privateers take back over in P2.

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          • #6
            The GT1's are the "Prep 2" or tube frame race cars that bear a resemblence to street cars.
            You may be confusing Grand Am GT with ALMS GT. ALMS GT1 cars are indeed based on production cars. I don't believe tube frames are allowed in ALMS.

            GT2 has 'mutated' a bit over the last few years, to allow large displacement cars such as the Viper, Corvette and Aston. However, air intake restrictors on the large displacement cars bring the horsepower in line with the smaller displacement car such as the Porsche and Ferrari.

            As said, LMP1 and GT1 were originally designed to the be 'factory' classes while LMP2 and GT2 were more oriented to the 'privateers'. Oddly, the bulk of the factory interest has gone to the LMP2 class. Porsche is a bit unique as they now offer privateers version of the LMP2 car (see Dyson and Lista).
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