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  • OT? How do you fail with a track in Chicago?

    Can't get a Cup date? Ok, How about a BGN race? Or an ARCA or ASA race?
    Can't get a race that commands $80 a ticket? OK, how about 2 races at $40 or 4 at $20?
    Copy a Copper World Classic race weekend!
    Hold an unsanctioned race on a Cup offweekend with Cup rules or Cup/ARCA/BGN/ASA rules!
    Would these ideas make you rich? Maybe not, but they would pay some bills.
    I am not familiar with the location, but I saw it mentioned that it was in a "bad" location? Texas World Speedway is in a "bad" location! Not enough potential fans live there. Chicago is a huge metropoltin area. "Bad" neighborhood? You mean like a bunch of poor people live there? Put them to work! Make them partners in your success.
    Some people will do nearly anything in order to be able to not do anything.

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    Hey why would you want to make any sense out of this issue? They dont seem to want to.
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    • #3
      They did hold ASA and CTS races there the last 2 years. The crowds were pathetic. Those races had to have lost money.

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      • #4
        must not be that many racefans in the chicago metro area.

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        • #5
          One of the things Chris Pook said led to their downfall was their lack of racing events. The track is primarily for horse racing, and is converted to auto racing for two weekends per year. That is a lot of expense for 6 days of on track action. Most race tracks are open for various on-track events (driving schools, testing, etc) year-round, or at least when the weather is good.

          There were also many complaints from fans about high prices and poor service at the track. (Parking isn't owned by the track, and the local lots would gouge; no outside food or beverage allowed in and extremely high prices inside; rude, abusive security that don't know who is allowed where; poor sight-lines and a host of others, but thats what I can remember reading about at 7G.) From what I've read, if you want a good case study on "how not to run a race track" CMS is a good place to start.

          Having a competing track with a Winston Cup race just down the road probably didn't help either.

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          • #6
            I am afraid Joe Bob that you came up with the answer. I guess even good businessmen fail to follow good business practices at times.
            Some people will do nearly anything in order to be able to not do anything.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by JoeBob:
              <STRONG>One of the things Chris Pook said led to their downfall was their lack of racing events. The track is primarily for horse racing, and is converted to auto racing for two weekends per year. That is a lot of expense for 6 days of on track action. </STRONG>
              So is Dover Downs International Speedway.
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              • #8
                how do you fail with a track in chicago? your competition builds a much better facility in joliet...

                also, as ive stated before: no room to tailgate, questionable neighborhood. betty lauren maltese (the mayor of cicero) bascially has mob ties, so you can guarantee that there were some under the table fees to stage events...not to mention the noise ordinance fines.

                it was a sucky track...plain and simple. and it wanst in chicago...it was in cicero.
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                • #9
                  So is Dover Downs International Speedway.
                  Dover Downs is a "track within a track," so the horses and cars don't use the same surface. My understanding is that the horses use at least some of the "racing surface" for their races. (The track is covered with dirt.) That makes changeovers cost a lot more. Then there's the fact that Dover has 2 Winston Cup dates...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by JoeBob:
                    <STRONG>

                    Dover Downs is a "track within a track," so the horses and cars don't use the same surface. My understanding is that the horses use at least some of the "racing surface" for their races. (The track is covered with dirt.) That makes changeovers cost a lot more. Then there's the fact that Dover has 2 Winston Cup dates...</STRONG>
                    JB, that ain't all dirt!

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                    • #11
                      The thing that really stinks about the deal is the OTHER races that are getting cancelled. The best racing at that track as the ARDC Midgets and the ARCA 4 cylinder trucks......those boys put on a show!! It was proven at Louden that a paperclip shaped, 1 mile oval is not the right combination for Indy cars......CART or IRL. It is not good racing. But watching Midgets go 3 wide in the corners....now that was fun. The place never really drew people, the adjoining neighborhoods were closed for parking, so there was no close parking, and even if they filled the space, there were not enough seats to pay a CART sactioning fee. Here's my take on the deal......the track could not afford to pay the CART sactioning fee so it wanted to cancel the race....however with Chip's involvement in the facility it would have rubbed the CART brass the wrong way if they JUST cancelled the CART race....to say face with the CART brass, the track decides to canel all of its racing for the year. From what I read, the jury is still out for 2003. Of course IMHO.
                      "And I gladly stand up next to you And defend her still today, 'Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land God Bless the U.S.A." - Lee Greenwood

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                      • #12
                        There are plenty of Chicago area race fans, so lets break it down:


                        INDY $90
                        Milwaukee $90 (wayWAYWAY better than CMS)
                        Brickyard $90
                        Chicagoland track pack $195
                        USGP $90
                        Gateway $15
                        RA $60
                        Mid-ohio (never been)

                        These are all single ticket prices, and don't include any expenses or lodging.
                        A party of four could go through a ton of scratch during a race season around here. CMS was the poorest quality race of the 8 or so I mentioned. so we don't go. Besides its the week following the Brickyard, and its nice to stay home that weekend.
                        "I was riding on the Mayflower when I thought I spotted some land" ~Bob Dylan's 115th Dream

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