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    Did anyone else catch his comments about non-IRL teams paying a larger entry fee for Indy than the IRL regulars...

  • #2
    I suspect he is referring to the benefits of the "Leaders Circle" program

    One of the benefits is listed:

    *Discounted entry fee package for the 2002 season.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by hdolan:
      <STRONG>Did anyone else catch his comments about non-IRL teams paying a larger entry fee for Indy than the IRL regulars...</STRONG>
      And they also can't win as much money as the IRL regulars. I really feel sorry for them.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by hdolan:
        <STRONG>Did anyone else catch his comments about non-IRL teams paying a larger entry fee for Indy than the IRL regulars...</STRONG>
        Nope, and I'm not really concerned.
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        • #5
          No different than season ticket discounts. Every other sanctioning body takes care of their regulars. Wha,Robin!!!!
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          • #6
            Isn't this the way it is in other racing series? NASCAR has it's winners circle plan, and also I've heard that some of the new increase in TV money is paid out to the people in the points standings.

            From what I have heard, the CART "purse" is not very big, outside of the Fontana race. Does anyone here know if they have some kind of a payout to "franchise holders" or something of that nature?
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            • #7
              No, I won't watch RPM2Night until they come to their senses and fire Robin Miller.
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              • #8
                I know Robin Miller is annoying, but it's best just to ignore him by putting the television on mute or changing the channel until his segment is over. John Kiernan wrote this before. Consider the source and move on. His pen is certainly not mightier than the sword...

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                • #9
                  Agree with Jimbo.

                  This is so much crap anyway.CART teams wanting to enter don't have to pay anymore than they normally would .

                  If they want the "discount" , all they have to do is enter the rest of the IRL races .
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                  I still got two strong legs, even wings to fly
                  I ain’t wastin’ time no more...”

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                  • #10
                    We are stuck with Miller no matter how much we complain, so I am not going to tune out a show that I consider the best racing magazine program in the business, just because of this vindictive fool. Most of the time I tape the show anyway, so that I can fast forward over things that I don't care for. The only thing like that I will mention is the fascination with "flipping Sprinters" It does a great disservice to the excitement of these series, to focus on something that all Sprint series continue to fail to address, huge, low-pressure "humper" tires. There are live human beings in these cars, I take no pleasure in watching them during their worst moments.

                    Back to Miller and my VCR, as long as he doesn't get anymore out of line then he was last night I can live with it, but he won't. Before long he will step on his tongue again and ESPN will no longer be able to live with the pressure. Robin will then be looking for yet another job.

                    The funny thing is that even though I tape with the intent of ignoring him, I find myself unable to zip past his segment. I have to see what he says. One other funny thing I recently saw here is the amount of "trashing" of Curt Gavin and the STAR. Everyone wanted Miller out of there, now that he is gone they complain that there isn't anyone at the paper with any information and insight. Nor does the paper have any interest in racing. I doubt that, this is the no-news time of the year, it will pick up soon. Well, when I was last in Indy in May, when both were writing for the paper, I would "read" Gavin first, for the news, then skim over Miller's spew, just to get my blood boiling!

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                    • #11
                      From what I have heard, the CART "purse" is not very big, outside of the Fontana race. Does anyone here know if they have some kind of a payout to "franchise holders" or something of that nature?
                      I'm pretty sure that prior to CART going public, franchise holders got a bigger purse. When CART went public, the franchise holders each got a large number of shares of CART stock for each franchise held. Many of the owners sold their stock fairly soon after that, while others hold onto that stock today. Most stayed in the sport, although Gerald Davis took his franchise shares, cashed 'em in and hasn't been seen since.

                      Today, a franchise gets you one vote at franchise board meetings, nothing more, nothing less.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by jandj:
                        <STRONG>If they want the "discount" , all they have to do is enter the rest of the IRL races.</STRONG>
                        I couldn't have said it better myself! Otherwise, they take the attitude of, "why buy the cow when the milks free(pardon the pun)!"
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                        • #13
                          I've always thought the best way for the IRL to protect the smaller teams is stacking the purse toward the regulars..

                          The Indy purse inparticular should be steeply stacked in the season long participants favor since the interlopers wouldn't be there without a fat commitment from a sponsor.

                          If all you got besides the Borg Warner was a basket of apples the Indianapolis 500 would still attract top flight teams.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Railbird:
                            <STRONG>If all you got besides the Borg Warner was a basket of apples the Indianapolis 500 would still attract top flight teams.</STRONG>
                            I could see "LemmingNET" taking that comment of yours, Bird, and running with it. Get a picture of TG presenting Sam Hornish with something, a few deft clicks in PhotoShop, and TA-DAAA! Grace it with the caption, "Well, Sam, the well's run dry, so here's a basket of ripe, red, juicy apples for your Indy victory this year. Oh, by the way, would you mind carving your face in the trophy yourself? we'd do it, but we're a little short this week..." and you're done!!
                            "I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend." - Thomas Jefferson

                            RIP, Dan. You will always be one of my heroes.

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                            • #15
                              Mackie,

                              I was suprised the Race Beat Writer was doing double duty on another writer's territory. I was P-Oed about the subtitle, which in reality was probably the copy editor's work.

                              Cavin did a good job covering USAC news way back when. Now with the STAR (cutbacks) we have less Indy Racing and little USAC/Short Track news.

                              The Lafayette paper has routine coverage of both the Benton County Speedway and the Kokomo Speedway (and I thought there was another maybe Logansport - it has been a few years).

                              I would love to see one human interest story on the short trackers as well as Indy Racing each week. In addition, I would like to see weekly coverage of the local/regional tracks from Winchester to Paragon to Putnamville to IRP .... I bet Simpson World, IMS/IRL, the local tracks, maybe IRL tracks (read future stars) would spend enough to keep a full page of newsprint per week. Start a tradition before someone else does. This was the arena where Robin Miller shined before being obessed with the Bully Pulpit.

                              Where so much information is instanteously accessed on the internet these days, this information is hard found, and could provide a unique arena for Curt to manage. Just think it would be similar to tracking down high school information.

                              Maynard are you out there listening?
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                              What irks me (maybe its too soon for the truth), DW was a 16-oval WIN specialist, yet the vast majority those boohooing for him, hardcarders & fans, alike are the same ones trying to kill anything with more than 9 deg banking & 4 corners, where Dan ultimately made his home...

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