So now we are designating people as "elitist snobs"??

[Sleepcheap]

Originally posted by shawn67:
<STRONG>So Camking now you've figured a person's demographics and lifestory by a one word signature?!?! I met Tony George at the Indianapolis 500 Opening Luncheon at the Indianapolis Athletic Club a few years back. I talked to Mr.George for about 5 minutes about who he wanted the IRL to appeal to.

I stand by my initial post
Cheers
Shawn

[ January 21, 2002: Message edited by: shawn67 ]</STRONG>

Did he admire your shirt?

[shawn67]

Sleepcheap:

That's a good one!

I'll nominate you for the quip of the day for that

Cheers
Shawn

[StatMan]

Originally posted by shawn67:
<STRONG>So now we are designating people as "elitist snobs"?? </STRONG>

Actually, they were designated as follows: "elitist" snobs

They were not designated as "elitist snobs."

[Racewriter]

Originally posted by Peter Olivola:
<STRONG>FF2k is alive and well and under the exclusive SCCA banner for 2002.

</STRONG>I thought it was, but wasn't it sanctioned by USAC, at least in part, at one point?<STRONG>

Super Vee died for lack of manufacturer support. It had always been a heavily subsidized series by VW. When VW's U.S. fortunes went south in the U.S. and the companies focus shifted the money stopped flowing. Without the subsidies there were more cost efficient forms of racing, a lesson that is repeating itself at an even higher level.

</STRONG>

Amen, brother...

[jandj]

I could be wrong , but I think USAC "co-sponsored" the ovals , there used to be a FF2000 link off the USAC page . Was there a "ovals" champ as well ?

[2fast4u]

why all this obsession with elitists' knobs?

[CamKing]

Originally posted by shawn67:
<STRONG>I met Tony George at the Indianapolis 500 Opening Luncheon at the Indianapolis Athletic Club a few years back. I talked to Mr.George for about 5 minutes about who he wanted the IRL to appeal to.

I stand by my initial post
Cheers
Shawn
</STRONG>

Did TG say Cheers back to you?

I'm glad you stand by your initial post, we should all have something to stand by.

BTW, Shawn do you also say "pip pip" and "Cheerio"

[Peter Olivola]

Yes. Everyone knew it wouldn't last. No one even bothered to ask if the mariage could be saved. It was easier for everyone to let it end.

Originally posted by Racewriter:
<STRONG>I thought it was, but wasn't it sanctioned by USAC, at least in part, at one point?</STRONG>

[TrackGoddess]

Originally posted by step33:
<STRONG>Frankly, I'm trying to become an elitist snob, but I haven't yet found the proper financing </STRONG>

Me too, Step, me too.

[ChrisB]

>>The WoO guys look down on EVERYONE running dirt<<

Not when the come to Pennsylvania!

>>I suspect you will see quite a few USAC vets in the IRIPS this year<<

We'll see. Even if it does, it's still no gaurantee that when they test for an Indy car ride they won't get passed over by some Atlantics/F3000 hotshot who couldn't get a ride in F1/CART, but still has way more experience in formula cars than they do. If this starts to happen, sprint drivers will likely forget IPS and look to BGN.

Also consider the choices facing non-sprint drivers who are coming up in formula cars from the start: Atlantics or IPS? Why do only ovals in IPS when Atlantics has you race on *both* road courses and ovals? Atlantics experience can get you into *either* CART or IRL, while IPS can only get you into IRL.

[WhirlinGraphics]

Originally posted by ChrisB:
<STRONG>Why do only ovals in IPS when Atlantics has you race on *both* road courses and ovals?</STRONG>

Chris, the Infiniti Pro Series will be weighted towards ovals but not exclusive to ovals. The tentative schedule has the road course at IMS during F1 weekend and I believe one or two more (and that is with only about 7 races the first season).

[cornutt]

Originally posted by rev-ed:
<STRONG>
My suggestion is that we stop worrying about classifying race fans.</STRONG>

Oh come on Rev, I've always wanted to be an elitist snob! Can't I? Please, please?

[rev-ed]

Originally posted by cornutt:
<STRONG>

Oh come on Rev, I've always wanted to be an elitist snob! Can't I? Please, please? </STRONG>

Oh all right, Dave, but just you!!

[cornutt]

Originally posted by Racewriter:
<STRONG>

Actually, they have done this, more than once. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember USAC having an FF2000 series just a couple of years ago, and they sanctioned, along with the SCCA, the Super Vee series. Both died...</STRONG>

USAC jointly sanctioned the F2000 series along with the SCCA. The schedule included both ovals and road courses, and there was a sub-championship just for the ovals. At one time there was talk of the oval sub-champ winner getting a guaranteed ride in the IRL, but that never panned out.

I think one reason the joint deal died out was that the F2000 cars were poorly suited to big ovals. They had pretty low drag and at places like Atlanta they were turning laps 30-40 MPH faster than what they were designed for. They tried putting in a chicane on the front stretch, but becuase the cars tended to group togehter in clumps, that resulted in huge crashes at the point where the groove narrowed (Greg LeMond got torn up in one such in 1998). The one time they let them just run the oval at Atlanta, Larry Foyt had a crash that ruptured his car's fuel cell and he was lucky to walk away from the resulting fire. The F2000 car was not the right answer for that type of racing.

[cornutt]

Originally posted by rev-ed:
<STRONG>Oh all right, Dave, but just you!! </STRONG>

All right, I assume the title! Dave Cornutt, official Elitist Snob of Trackforum!