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    If i remember correctly, this race was taken off the schedule for 2005 cuz the IRL and TMS couldn't agree on a date, Texas wanted mid September and IRL wanted mid October, Well now that the IRL has compacted its schedule why not bring this race back and run it the week after Chicago? TMS would be happy and you would have 100,000 fans at your season finale?

  • #2
    Call Eddie and Brian, and get them to make it happen!
    ...Always follow the money

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    • #3
      Make it in late March before Miami-Homestead and take Chicago back one week to Labor Day weekend. Even NASCAR's ratings cut big time when football comes into the picture.

      Put California in around late March or mid-April. Then add a Canadian road race (Montreal) in August, a Mexican road race (Cancun) in late March, a San Antonio street race in March or April, and a Pacifica Northwest (Portland?) event in mid-June or late July and sit on that 20 race schedule for no less than five years to build the series with consisitency.

      NASCAR had to invent the playoffs in an effort to try and compete with football. What they don't know is that people aren't watching beyond just football starting in September. The sport is getting more boring and more plastic year after year.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Indycrfn
        If i remember correctly, this race was taken off the schedule for 2005 cuz the IRL and TMS couldn't agree on a date, Texas wanted mid September and IRL wanted mid October, Well now that the IRL has compacted its schedule why not bring this race back and run it the week after Chicago? TMS would be happy and you would have 100,000 fans at your season finale?

        This race was taken off the schedule because TMS won a Fall NASCAR Cup race.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by MarkDonahueFan
          What they don't know is that people aren't watching beyond just football starting in September.
          Who's not watching?

          Texas Final TV Ratings: NBC's coverage of the inaugural fall NASCAR Nextel Cup race from Texas Motor Speedway on Sunday earned a 5.1 national rating/10 share, a 4% increase from the comparable race last year (4.9/10 in Phoenix). With only two races left in the "Chase for the Nextel Cup," the eight "Chase" races are averaging a 4.5 rating on NBC & TNT, up 5% from 2004 (4.3) and up 10% for the comparable eight races in 2003 (4.1). Season to date, NASCAR on NBC & TNT is rating a 4.7, up 8% from 2004 (4.4).(NBC PR)(11-9-2005)

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          • #6
            Of all the things the IRL has done to irritate this long term Indycar fan, absouletey nothing has topped getting rid of the fall race.

            Absolutely Positively Nothing :mad: :mad: :mad:

            Sometimes it seems like all the people involved in Indycar racing, are afraid of success.
            Ape Man

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            • #7
              I think that the reason there is no fall Texas race is because the people who now run Indy racing... car owners with road racing backgrounds are scared of the place.

              Perfect example: Michael Andretti ended his driving career so he did not have to race there.
              "The problem with internet quotes and statistics is that often times, they're wrongfully believed to be real." - Abraham Lincoln

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              • #8
                Originally posted by LorenzoBandini
                people who now run Indy racing... car owners with road racing backgrounds.....
                That has been the problem with open wheel racing for the past 30 years...period!!! The car owners believe they are the stud ducks on the open wheel racing pond. They all act in a manner that benefits them first before thinking about the good of the sport. At least NASCAR has taken steps to limit the power of big car owners and keep the power in the sanctioning body where it belongs.
                "You will be assimilated"......NASCAR, the Borg of auto racing.

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                • #9
                  Texas

                  Originally posted by Indycrfn
                  If i remember correctly, this race was taken off the schedule for 2005 cuz the IRL and TMS couldn't agree on a date, Texas wanted mid September and IRL wanted mid October, Well now that the IRL has compacted its schedule why not bring this race back and run it the week after Chicago? TMS would be happy and you would have 100,000 fans at your season finale?
                  Sounds like a great idea.Texas is one of the best tracks IRL ever raced at.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by mak
                    At least NASCAR has taken steps to limit the power of big car owners and keep the power in the sanctioning body where it belongs.
                    Power with the sanctioning body or the owners.... in open wheel racing that is like deciding between being shot or hung.
                    "The problem with internet quotes and statistics is that often times, they're wrongfully believed to be real." - Abraham Lincoln

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                    • #11
                      On the night Eddie Gossage co-hosted Wind Tunnel he pointed out that TMS did a survey of season ticket holders, and the majority did not want to pay extra for two IRL weekends and two Cup weekends. The second NASCAR date brought about by the Ferko lawsuit is what pulled the plug on Texas II, not the IRL, or Honda, or AGR.

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                      • #12
                        Well maybe its time to take the IRL race off the season deal and make it a 2 race season ticket deal for the IRL shows only? That would save me a hunk of change!
                        aXe
                        Born Again Race Fan seen at
                        www.openwheelracers3.com

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Powercat
                          On the night Eddie Gossage co-hosted Wind Tunnel he pointed out that TMS did a survey of season ticket holders, and the majority did not want to pay extra for two IRL weekends and two Cup weekends. The second NASCAR date brought about by the Ferko lawsuit is what pulled the plug on Texas II, not the IRL, or Honda, or AGR.
                          And a race that wouldn't be a part of the season ticket package would've never drawn 100,000.

                          The increase to 2 NASCAR weekends completely squeezed the IRL out of Phoenix and California. The reason that attendance went down the crapper at both of those tracks is, IMO, because the IRL was in essence removed from the season ticket package. By both of those tracks offering a 'NASCAR Season Ticket' as well as the regular all-races deal, those tracks pretty much destroyed all their non-NASCAR events.

                          Next year's Copper World Classic at Pheonix won't draw flies for that very reason.

                          Sorry for the OT, but I thought it was somewhat relevant.
                          - Make a note of the word 'Gobbly-gook'. I like it and I want to use it more often in conversation.
                          --Yes, sir.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by FenderFree
                            And a race that wouldn't be a part of the season ticket package would've never drawn 100,000.

                            The increase to 2 NASCAR weekends completely squeezed the IRL out of Phoenix and California. The reason that attendance went down the crapper at both of those tracks is, IMO, because the IRL was in essence removed from the season ticket package. By both of those tracks offering a 'NASCAR Season Ticket' as well as the regular all-races deal, those tracks pretty much destroyed all their non-NASCAR events.

                            Next year's Copper World Classic at Pheonix won't draw flies for that very reason.

                            Sorry for the OT, but I thought it was somewhat relevant.
                            Excellent points, and by no means am I picking on TMS, Eddie Gossage, or SMI. If there is one outside party that has some control over the IRL schedule, it is the France family, not Andretti or Honda. ISC has closed two tracks with IRL dates (Nazareth, Pikes Peak), although Nazareth's race was essentially moved to Watkins Glen. As for the other family businesses, the Frances control two series commonly paired up with the IRL. The NASCAR Truck Series, and Grand-Am. A good example is the race after Indy. NASCAR would not move the Truck Series from Dover to either Kansas or Texas. So those two tracks keep their same dates, and the IRL is at Watkins Glen. I'm not suggesting that ISC (or SMI) are being totally unfair to the IRL, because I think the IRL would be in huge trouble without them. But at the same time, they do have a lot of influence on scheduling. I believe more than anything Honda or Michael Andretti says.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by NIMBUS
                              Who's not watching?
                              Me. I had been a fan of NASCAR, along with virtually every other form of racing, since I was a little, little kid in the 1970s watching it on Wide World of Sports. But there is no point in watching NASCAR anymore. It is sports entertainment along the lines of the wrestling shows and toughman competitions, and I no longer consider it a legitimate racing series. It's successful financially, just like the WWE is, but it has sold its soul, and to some of us kind of seems like a slap in the face of the real racers who gave birth to this form of motorsport almost 60 years ago.

                              I was kind of disappointed in the compressed IRL schedule, for much the same reason I was unhappy when they stopped opening the season at WDW: Believe it or not, there are a few of us fans who do not give a flying rip about football, and would LOVE to have something else to watch during those long, bleak months when the inarticulate, steroid-mutated hordes and their drunken, obnoxious followers have taken over the sports scene. Not everyone in America goes ga-ga over watching those fools line up every ten minutes and fall on top of a ball. There are still a few of us whose IQs have risen above room temperature.
                              "Only a fool fights in a burning house."-Kang

                              "If you listen to fools....The Maaahhhhb Ruuuules....."-Ronnie James Dio

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