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  • #16
    Up the lap one, turn one, "missed chicane/ turn" and "avoidable contact" penalties to 1 lap and magically they'll find there heads and brake pedals. A drive through or stop/go isn't enough when there is the potential of a multi caution race. Race Control and the Stewards should be feared to extent that drivers are afraid to make eye contact with them in the paddock, and stand up straight while they are in sight. Those guys are too nice. Absolute clown show to start your race with a wreak. So bush league and a waste.
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    • #17
      Why do we not do local yellows?
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Sea Fury View Post
        Why do we not do local yellows?
        My guess is "for the show". To bunch the field back up through a full course caution.

        There are so many full course yellow's this year that could have been just a local yellow. We should seriously look into the VSC that F1 does as well.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Baulz View Post
          Was the delay not related to getting cars in proper order for the restart? It can take time to shuffle cars around, and race cars drivers aren't the kind of people that will quickly give up a space unless forced to do so.
          It was, but the rule regarding the sorting of the order was the majority of the problem. it shouldn't have taken any more than 2 laps to move the three stalled cars. the rest of the cars in the incident didn't even stop. it was clear who caused the original incident- back of the pack. re-started cars, to the back of the pack or to the garage. Everyone else sorted themselves out coming out of the corner. all the re-shuffling to pit, etc.


          F1 has it easier because they don't re-start a stopped car, don't put street sweepers out, etc. it does amaze me though when they will send out a crew with wisk brooms instead of handing them a darn yard blower. Obviously Monza is a much longer lap than Portland, but they had two cars involved in the first lap incident off the track before the field came around the first time.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by jandj View Post
            A first lap that isn’t completed used to be a complete restart.
            However….there’s still gonna be the clearing the track, reordering the field, etc. delay. At Indy that could involve adding fuel to the pit tanks depending on the length of the initial yellow so I get why they don’t do it anymore.
            The pits shouldn’t close unless there’s an incident blocking it or requiring emergency services.
            Drivers in the back 1/3 of the grid need to stop hanging back to get a run on the start/restart.
            The start/restarts (when the green flys) should be determined by race control, not calling “Green” whenever the leader takes off.
            I’m ok with any cars between the pace car and leader getting a wave around, but I’m just as ok with leaving the field as it is no matter who is the first car behind the pace car.
            All drivers should attend a well run short track event to see how restarts should be done.
            Needless dicking around so everyone can pit needs to go.
            Extending a yellow for TV to get commercials in is an unavoidable evil.
            I’m sure I’ll think of more….
            They can still re-set the order and count the lap under yellow before a fresh start for fuel consumption purposes.
            100% agree on the not closing pits and not extending yellows to ensure everyone can pit. The pits should ONLY ever be closed if the incident directly involves pit entrance, pit lane or pit exit.


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            • #21
              Originally posted by Sea Fury View Post
              Why do we not do local yellows?
              They won't put trucks and crews on-course under local yellows anymore... .


              Indycar shouldn't be allowing the leader to start before the field is on the front stretch. Race control should be calling the green, not the leader. allowing the leader to control the starts has caused most of the problems. pitlane speed until the green waves/ lights come on.
              Last edited by Nigel Red5; 09-14-2021, 03:10 PM.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Nigel Red5 View Post



                Indycar shouldn't be allowing the leader to start before the field is on the front stretch. Race control should be calling the green, not the leader. allowing the leader to control the starts has caused most of the problems. pitlane speed until the green waves/ lights come on.
                THIS...and with today's technology, totally enforceable, just like pit lane speed.
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                • #23
                  I will say the hybrid engines might actually help things in these situations
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                  • #24
                    8 year old kids in quarter midgets can obey start procedure rules better than IndyCar drivers. Been that way for at least 25 years, and they have been allowed to get away with it. Send the front row to the back one time for not doing it right, and they'd learn pretty quick. Instead they get a warning slap in the wrist and lose their popsicle after lunch. Prepare for another crap show start at Long Beach in a few weeks, and then they'll ball up a few in turn one, and a few more at the fountain. "How many survive the first lap" should be a bonus round for the pick 5...
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by BSJracing View Post
                      I will say the hybrid engines might actually help things in these situations
                      How so?
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by RHR Fan Always View Post

                        How so?
                        Self starting? Just a guess. The on-board battery and MGU should be capable of that.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by nascarnation View Post

                          Self starting? Just a guess. The on-board battery and MGU should be capable of that.
                          A majority of FCYs this year were stalled cars. Self starting cars will really clean up the racing.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Baulz View Post
                            Was it announced to the drivers before the race that cutting the corner at the start would have them moved back in the field regardless of why they did it?
                            Yes it was, that was mentioned by the announcers during the broadcast, they even showed location of the time lines in the festival curves that were used to determine re-ordering the field.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by RHR Fan Always View Post

                              My guess is "for the show". To bunch the field back up through a full course caution.

                              There are so many full course yellow's this year that could have been just a local yellow. We should seriously look into the VSC that F1 does as well.

                              F1 has had far too many FCYs as well this year

                              Most of these car off course FCYs should be locals. Even Barnhart would have kept them local, and we used to howl to no end over Barnhart using too many FCYs

                              Just severely penalize anyone who drives at an unsafe speed through a local yellow flag zone. Keeps things much safer given that we don't have bunchups and restart wrecks. Save the safety car (both in IndyCar and F1) for when a red flag would otherwise be needed, or if medical personnel need to be on the track

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by houstonracefan View Post



                                Just severely penalize anyone who drives at an unsafe speed through a local yellow flag zone.
                                Technology should make this pretty easy to do. Along with in-car notification when approaching and exiting yellow speed zones.
                                Road racing is doomed...what this country needs is a big new racetrack designed for automobiles instead of horses. C.G. Fisher

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