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  • Sweaty Teddy
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    Originally posted by rrrr View Post

    Your statement implies there is a misogynistic bias across the entire sport and in the companies that sponsor it, conspiring to deny women drivers access to the funding necessary to compete on an equal basis with male drivers.

    Could it be possible the actual reason for that absence of women drivers and lack of sponsorship is because no female has demonstrated the ability to compete and win at the top levels of single seat open wheel and other road course centric racing series?

    Of those women that have competed in IndyCar, Danica Patrick was arguably the best of her gender to do so. Years of kart racing begun at an early age, living in Europe and competing in legitimate junior series, and driving for one of the best teams in IndyCar, she was able to finish in the top ten in points for multiple years, but garnered just one win.

    Perhaps something more than lack of sponsorship is in play.


    I'm not sure I'd use Danica Patrick as much of an example of anything other than how to be Danica Patrick, because I'd argue she did more harm than good to the prospects of those who - or did not - follow her.

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  • nm
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    One of my friends, now retired, sold a lot of racing sponsorships. He tried years ago to obtain a sponsor for a female driver. Didn't happen. He told me the biggest problem for finding a sponsor for a female driver was female executives in New York City and Chicago.

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  • rrrr
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    Originally posted by flatlander_48 View Post

    Is there a series anywhere that offers the winner complete funding for a full season at the next level? Offhand, I don’t think so. However, the fact remains that it is STILL harder for women to raise sponsorship after all these years.
    Your statement implies there is a misogynistic bias across the entire sport and in the companies that sponsor it, conspiring to deny women drivers access to the funding necessary to compete on an equal basis with male drivers.

    Could it be possible the actual reason for that absence of women drivers and lack of sponsorship is because no female has demonstrated the ability to compete and win at the top levels of single seat open wheel and other road course centric racing series?

    Of those women that have competed in IndyCar, Danica Patrick was arguably the best of her gender to do so. Years of kart racing begun at an early age, living in Europe and competing in legitimate junior series, and driving for one of the best teams in IndyCar, she was able to finish in the top ten in points for multiple years, but garnered just one win.

    Perhaps something more than lack of sponsorship is in play.



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  • Sweaty Teddy
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    Originally posted by flatlander_48 View Post
    Thee W Series winner gets $500,000. A year in F2 is on the order of $2,000,000 I think. What that says to me is that it is still hard for women to find proper funding. That isn’t the fault of the series. It’s a function of how marketing folks think.

    What the series does is put 20 young women in the spotlight and helps them with understandIng how to give good feedback to the technical staff, media coaching, physical training coaching and nutrition coaching (I think). Even if you have funding to do an F2 season, I don’t think you would get a lot of this peripheral help, which is also important to advance your career. Personally, I think so far the series is doing what it set out to do. We’ll see what happens in another couple of years. As I remember, they were trying to work out something with COTA. Hopefully that will come to pass...
    If the goal is to actually promote and develop women racers, there are more cost effective ways of going about it. I imagine that for the cost of operating a fleet of race cars for a single-marque series like this the organizers could set up a Red Bull-like driver development program, but exclusively for female drivers. Partner with established teams, invest in the engineering, scout drivers, and place them in no-excuse situations with every opportunity to succeed without the pressures of bringing sponsorship or family money.

    If that were in fact the goal.

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  • flatlander_48
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    Originally posted by Spike View Post
    No, what that says is that the prize money available is but a fraction of the budget required to compete. The same is true in the ICS.
    Is there a series anywhere that offers the winner complete funding for a full season at the next level? Offhand, I don’t think so. However, the fact remains that it is STILL harder for women to raise sponsorship after all these years.

    Originally posted by Spike View Post
    Are you saying a female driver can only get those things by taking part in a series where all the other drivers are female?
    No. I’m saying that 20 women (actually 22 as there are 2 reserves) would not get that outside of the W Series at an F3 or any other level. Maybe 2 or 3, but NOT 22...

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  • Spike
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    Originally posted by flatlander_48 View Post
    Thee W Series winner gets $500,000. A year in F2 is on the order of $2,000,000 I think. What that says to me is that it is still hard for women to find proper funding.
    No, what that says is that the prize money available is but a fraction of the budget required to compete. The same is true in the ICS.

    Originally posted by flatlander_48 View Post
    What the series does is put 20 young women in the spotlight and helps them with understandIng how to give good feedback to the technical staff, media coaching, physical training coaching and nutrition coaching (I think).
    Are you saying a female driver can only get those things by taking part in a series where all the other drivers are female?

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  • flatlander_48
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    Thee W Series winner gets $500,000. A year in F2 is on the order of $2,000,000 I think. What that says to me is that it is still hard for women to find proper funding. That isn’t the fault of the series. It’s a function of how marketing folks think.

    What the series does is put 20 young women in the spotlight and helps them with understandIng how to give good feedback to the technical staff, media coaching, physical training coaching and nutrition coaching (I think). Even if you have funding to do an F2 season, I don’t think you would get a lot of this peripheral help, which is also important to advance your career. Personally, I think so far the series is doing what it set out to do. We’ll see what happens in another couple of years. As I remember, they were trying to work out something with COTA. Hopefully that will come to pass...

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  • Sweaty Teddy
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    Originally posted by flatlander_48 View Post

    Yes, but there are several hardtop series out there that she could have fit into. This whole thing seems a bit weird...
    Maybe they thought she was going to sign on but she had no intention? She's years removed from open-wheel, and probably not looking to get on the European ladder at 39.

    That W Series was hoping that a 39-year-old was a good idea for their field says how weak the whole concept is to begin with. And then you have the champion returning to defend her title, presumably because she couldn't find the rest of the funding needed for a halfway decent ride at the next level.

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  • flatlander_48
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    Originally posted by Sweaty Teddy View Post

    Only as odd as the CAT sponsorship not returning, and with that the MSR Acura ride going away. A girl’s got to have her Plan B .
    Yes, but there are several hardtop series out there that she could have fit into. This whole thing seems a bit weird...

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  • Sweaty Teddy
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    Originally posted by flatlander_48 View Post

    It would make no sense for her. She’s way beyond an F3 car, so what would be the point? Similarly for Tatiana Calderone. She turned the first season down because she was going into F2. Something really odd here...
    Only as odd as the CAT sponsorship not returning, and with that the MSR Acura ride going away. A girl’s got to have her Plan B .

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  • rrrr
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    Originally posted by Sweaty Teddy View Post

    Rahal’s sister-in-law won the Top Fuel championship in 2017. Erica Enders has won the Pro Stock championship 2-3 times, including this year.
    Erica is a fierce competitor, and consistently throws down great reaction times. She cut an .019 light in the second round at the Finals, which clinched the championship with a .027 holeshot win.

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  • flatlander_48
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    Originally posted by Sweaty Teddy View Post

    Not according to Autoweek, which reported last month that they expected her to participate next year but that she pulled out. That this was a possibility reinforces to me all I've understood about W Series, and what a fool's errand they are on doing it this way.
    It would make no sense for her. She’s way beyond an F3 car, so what would be the point? Similarly for Tatiana Calderone. She turned the first season down because she was going into F2. Something really odd here...

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  • frodo13
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    Originally posted by neti1 View Post
    YES PLEASE!!!!!

    I imagine Porkchop is probably scrap by now.

    Even if not, there might be a little trouble with homologation .
    Ya Think!! I am thinking more like Pork Chop Jr. or perhaps Calhoun.

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  • Sweaty Teddy
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    Originally posted by flatlander_48 View Post

    I’m guessing that was a reference point and publicity. I don’t think it was for joining the series...
    Not according to Autoweek, which reported last month that they expected her to participate next year but that she pulled out. That this was a possibility reinforces to me all I've understood about W Series, and what a fool's errand they are on doing it this way.

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  • flatlander_48
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    Originally posted by Sweaty Teddy View Post

    Legge at least tested with the W Series earlier this fall, which I thought was odd given her prior experience. At least she's open to future open-wheel opportunities.
    I’m guessing that was a reference point and publicity. I don’t think it was for joining the series...

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