Big News? Looks like a modified version of 25/8

[speedy badger]

http://www.indyracing.com/press/story.php?id=326

Looks like CARTs potential move to INDY and switch to IRL specs has caused the IRL to make more changes. What do ya'll think?

[Racewriter]

[Micki]

Please see Leaders Circle thread for discussion on this topic.

[step33T]

Looks like an expanded version of 20 get 22k.

And this looks like a TROLL.

[CamKing]

Please show this troll the exit.

[SHERNI]

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[SHERNI]

believe me, when I typed the previous post, it looked like a pretty good theater stage hook!

These computers are no fun!

[Roadrage]

"Firestone’s commitment to the growth and stability of the Indy Racing League is truly exceptional."

I'm trying to figure the meaning of the word "growth" when there is a limit of 24(?) cars.

[indyracer56]

Here is a picture I found of the "average" Track Forum Troll:

[step33T]

Originally posted by Roadrage:
<STRONG>"Firestone’s commitment to the growth and stability of the Indy Racing League is truly exceptional."

I'm trying to figure the meaning of the word "growth" when there is a limit of 24(?) cars.

</STRONG>

There is no limit of 24 cars. But, they are only allowing the top 24 to participate in the program. And remember that last season only the Top 20 got bonus money. THUS, this is a GROWTH of 4.

FYI, GoodYear and Hoosier have had programs with the WoO forever. You accumulate points based on finishing positions, and X number of points got you a free tire. Firestone's deal is probably similar.

And the key to me is that the better you run, the more you get. This isn't communism, performance still counts.

The person this program would've helped the most last season was probably Billy Boat. An underfunded, but solidly performing team.

[ January 18, 2002: Message edited by: step33 ]

[sifaka]

Hey,
I resent the implication that this is like 25/8. Twenty-five eight was designed to keep the best out. This is designed to keep the worst in.

This is chum for the bottom-feeders. No wonder there has been a recent feeding frenzy at the bottom of the IRL hierarchy.

[sf-indy-fan]

Originally posted by indyracer56:
<STRONG>Here is a picture I found of the "average" Track Forum Troll:

</STRONG>

So Paul Page has been lurking here. Well, what do you know about that?

[step33T]

Originally posted by sifaka:
<STRONG>Hey,
I resent the implication that this is like 25/8. Twenty-five eight was designed to keep the best out. This is designed to keep the worst in.

This is chum for the bottom-feeders. No wonder there has been a recent feeding frenzy at the bottom of the IRL hierarchy.</STRONG>

Only sifaka would find that helping out your teams is BAD for the IRL.

[speedy badger]

"Please show this troll the exit."


"Here is a picture I found of the "average" Track Forum Troll:"

While you may think this is a troll, it is definately not. If you noticed, I noted I was curious what people think. I have been following the IRL since its inception and lurking around here for a long time. I just do not post that often. This is a very intrigueing move by the IRL. It seems that they are attempting to try to avoid allowing CART teams from cherry picking IRL events. While I have been very supportive to all decisions that IRL has made in the past, I have yet to form an opinion on this move. It seems pretty obvious that limiting this to 24 teams has a direct correlation to the fact that the IRL supposes that their car counts will be around 20-24 cars this year.

I hope this is just a move by the IRL to support those teams committed to the IRL by making it difficult to CART teams with similar specs(2003) to cherry pic.

[sifaka]

Originally posted by step33:
<STRONG>
Only sifaka would find that helping out your teams is BAD for the IRL.</STRONG>

It is a catch 22 isn't it. If you keep the cost of racing high, then only well-funded teams will race. However, then you might have to settle for say --- 21 teams like in F-1 (I know the 21 is by regulation, but why od you think it was set that low). If you keep the cost of racing low, then you naturally give underfunded teams a chance to run where they don't belong. Given that the economic barriers to entry in the IRL are already low, this 'incentive' can only have the effect of diluting the quality of the field.

Is that bad for the IRL, as Step 33 claims I think? Oh, I don't know. Accidents like Atlanta have nothing to do with underfunded teams with clapped out engines do they?

I wouldn't say that it is so much bad, as it is Tg facing the reality that the economic bite that has hit CART teams has hit the IRL just as bad if not worse. He only has 17 teams signed up to run the full season, according to the IRL website, and that includes his great catch of two cars from CART. TG very much wants to be able to have more cars in his fields than CART does. If it turns out the other way around folks will start to wonder again about the viability of the IRL if it can't offer bigger fields than that dying series, CART.