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  • #1

    More Brayton/DeVries - wow

    Sorry if this has been posted. I just saw this.
    http://espn.go.com/rpm/2002/0117/1313053.html

    "DeVries won the 1998 Formula Holden title in Australia and has also competed in touring cars."
    http://www.cart.com

    Look up Scott Dixon

    1998

    "Won the Australian-based Formula Holden championship for Formula 3000 race cars with five wins, seven poles and five second-place finishes in 12 races."

    Now got to the Formula Holden web site.
    http://www.formulaholden.com/archive/1998hadc_pa.htm

    What the **** is going on? This is sad.

    I think I might ask Scott Dixon at Spring Training if this is even true "Scott Dixon (CART's 2001 rookie of the year) told me John has a lot of talent, he's simply had no funding," said Brayton"

    Maybe the first question I should ask is his team owner is telling people he won the 1998 championship.

    This is sad.
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  • #2
    Hmmmm....is DeVries related to Joe Heitzler?

    What a joke. Scott Brayton is rolling over in his grave...
    "It was actually fun, because you're back fully driving again in these trucks. Ninety percent of the tracks we go to in the IRL, you're flat-out. I was having to lift off the corners some here." - Buddy Rice

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    • #3
      Over on Brayton Racing's message board, the guy who ran his Holden team posted he won the "Silver Star" championship, which is a class for older cars.

      It should be noted that Dr. Jack Miller's Indy Lights "championship" came the same way. From Dr. Jack's bio on the IRL site: "1998(sic) Won March class championship in Firestone Indy Lights series. Owned team and car, winning six of 12 races in class. Best overall finish of 12th at Portland." IIRC, he was pretty much the only guy who ran that "class" that season.

      [ January 18, 2002: Message edited by: JoeBob ]

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      • #4
        While we are dumping on resumes here, I know an older driver who competed in "formula atlantic" a while ago. At the time there were divisions such as the "pacific" where there were only 10 races on like 4 tracks.

        I have seen where the "atlantic division champion" has been compared to a Buddy Rice or Alex Barron because they were all "Atlantics Champions". When asked about his credentials people say he is an "Atlantics Champion."

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mista Bone:
          <STRONG>While we are dumping on resumes here, I know an older driver who competed in "formula atlantic" a while ago. At the time there were divisions such as the "pacific" where there were only 10 races on like 4 tracks.

          I have seen where the "atlantic division champion" has been compared to a Buddy Rice or Alex Barron because they were all "Atlantics Champions". When asked about his credentials people say he is an "Atlantics Champion."</STRONG>
          Are you talking about Lazzaro? I remember when there were divisions - one year at Topeka, they had an "east vs. west" thingy. The big stars that I remember were Hiro Masushita and Jeff Andretti.

          That would be kind of like referring to the Speedrome Midget champ as the "USAC Midget Champion."
          "It was actually fun, because you're back fully driving again in these trucks. Ninety percent of the tracks we go to in the IRL, you're flat-out. I was having to lift off the corners some here." - Buddy Rice

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          • #6
            BTW - on those Formula Holden standings, there are only 4 other guys with Reynards as old as DeVries...and they didn't start all the races...
            "It was actually fun, because you're back fully driving again in these trucks. Ninety percent of the tracks we go to in the IRL, you're flat-out. I was having to lift off the corners some here." - Buddy Rice

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Racewriter:
              <STRONG>BTW - on those Formula Holden standings, there are only 4 other guys with Reynards as old as DeVries...and they didn't start all the races...</STRONG>
              So he ran mid pack in a S***-box? Is that what we are saying here.

              I'm still in the no presumtion of talent, and no presumtion of "wanker", camp.

              We'll find out soon I guess.
              We flipped our finger to the King of England
              Stole our country from the Indians
              With god on our side and guns in our hands
              We took it for our own!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Racewriter:
                <STRONG>Are you talking about Lazzaro."</STRONG>
                Dismore - at least the IRL web site has it correct for what it is. However a lot of fans call him an Atlantic champion and say he has won a "major" championship when posts break out about when he deserves a quality ride in the IRL. I guess it boils down to what one considers major. To me that is like say team A beat team B, and we (team C) beat Team A so we are better than team B. You have to take into account time. Much like a lot of Petty and Foyt wins that occured very early on.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by step33:
                  <STRONG>

                  So he ran mid pack in a S***-box? Is that what we are saying here.

                  I'm still in the no presumtion of talent, and no presumtion of "wanker", camp.

                  We'll find out soon I guess.</STRONG>
                  That's what we're saying, step. Of course, I am presuming "wanker," but that's just me...

                  And thanks for the info, MB. That was long enough ago I'd forgotten about it...

                  BTW - all of Petty's wins came in NASCAR Grand National, he never ran any regional races, other than the old Convertible tour.
                  "It was actually fun, because you're back fully driving again in these trucks. Ninety percent of the tracks we go to in the IRL, you're flat-out. I was having to lift off the corners some here." - Buddy Rice

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                  • #10
                    Ok,

                    I looked at the formulaholden link and found some interesting thing about his stats.

                    7 John DeVries 49 12 Reynard 91D 4 10 6 2 6 8 2 4 3 * 2 2

                    Here is how points are awarded:

                    20 pts
                    15 pts
                    12 pts
                    10 pts
                    8 pts
                    6 pts
                    4 pts
                    3 pts
                    2 pts
                    1 pt




                    Each number above are the points he scored. Note, that he scored points in all but one race. And had ZERO DNF's. That tells me he doesn't crash a lot. Apparently he's pretty careful. That's important to me. Not saying he's great, but he did manage to keep it off the walls and his competitors.

                    That alleviates some of my fears. Though not all of them.

                    [ January 18, 2002: Message edited by: step33 ]
                    We flipped our finger to the King of England
                    Stole our country from the Indians
                    With god on our side and guns in our hands
                    We took it for our own!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Racewriter:
                      <STRONG>BTW - on those Formula Holden standings, there are only 4 other guys with Reynards as old as DeVries...and they didn't start all the races...</STRONG>
                      The story just gets better. The problem here is Todd. He continues to open his mouth. Just shut up and keep quiet about it. Instead we are getting all this stuff about how how the cooments are unfair na dhow Scott Dixon said he was talented and stuff. Come on. How does Scott know? It's not like this guy was poor. Why run older equipment?

                      The real story here is obviously the track product. To start off they have Tri-star equipment which has seen a few walls and they might not even have an update kit. Additionally, if you read closely it the comment on the 5 year deal it is tied to performance.

                      That means there is no 5 year deal and whenever John feels he wants to back out he can.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mista Bone:
                        <STRONG>

                        The story just gets better. The problem here is Todd. He continues to open his mouth. Just shut up and keep quiet about it. Instead we are getting all this stuff about how how the cooments are unfair na dhow Scott Dixon said he was talented and stuff. Come on. How does Scott know? It's not like this guy was poor. Why run older equipment?

                        The real story here is obviously the track product. To start off they have Tri-star equipment which has seen a few walls and they might not even have an update kit. Additionally, if you read closely it the comment on the 5 year deal it is tied to performance.

                        That means there is no 5 year deal and whenever John feels he wants to back out he can.</STRONG>
                        Well, exactly. That's what I said in the first place. If you're going to hire a no-driving ride-buyer wanker so you can have a team, fine. But, don't sit there and whine when fans complain that you hired a no-driving ride-buyer wanker after selling fan sponsorships, and building their hopes that you were going to be a race team with a race driver. Shut up and keep a low profile.

                        I'm sure this "5-year deal" will have as much stability as the Northern Light 5-year deal will.

                        Oh, BTW, did you catch the "minority owned" comment at the very end of the article? That's why Teri is listed as the owner of the team - they're trying to work some "women owned business" deals. Like you said - it just gets better.
                        "It was actually fun, because you're back fully driving again in these trucks. Ninety percent of the tracks we go to in the IRL, you're flat-out. I was having to lift off the corners some here." - Buddy Rice

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by step33:
                          <STRONG>That alleviates some of my fears. Though not all of them.</STRONG>
                          There is always some shade of silver when people look hard enough huh?

                          I understand what you are saying. This guy is going to white knuckle it to make the qualifying speed needed and will drop 25 mph during the race and be black flagged by lap 25.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mista Bone:
                            <STRONG>

                            There is always some shade of silver when people look hard enough huh?

                            I understand what you are saying. This guy is going to white knuckle it to make the qualifying speed needed and will drop 25 mph during the race and be black flagged by lap 25.</STRONG>
                            Actually, looking at the results at www.formulaholden.com he did run up front on occassion. Always finished in the top half of the field.

                            NOW, this is a Road Racing series, and you can just get by yourself and cruise in those. My concerns are for his high traffic oval abilities. Hopefully, Brian is on the lookout there. And I'm sure he is.

                            BTW, did anyone else check out the way these guys award money? It's a convuluted formula based on WHERE the team comes from and how far they traveled. THEN the finishing positions are divided into the deal. Total mess IMO.
                            We flipped our finger to the King of England
                            Stole our country from the Indians
                            With god on our side and guns in our hands
                            We took it for our own!

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                            • #15
                              Sorta makes you nostalgic for the days when Shiggy was our biggest embarrassment, huh?
                              "It was actually fun, because you're back fully driving again in these trucks. Ninety percent of the tracks we go to in the IRL, you're flat-out. I was having to lift off the corners some here." - Buddy Rice

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