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  • What makes a ledgend ?

    Winning the Indy 500 multiple times, the IRL Championship 5 or 6 times and maybe winning the Dayton 500 and the Brickyard 500 or running around top ten in Nascar?

    Sam's got a good start down the road to be an true ledgend, but not in NASCAR.

    A Nascar ledgend gotta beat Earnhardt's 7 championships and maybe win the Daytona 500 and Indy, or win 200 plus races like Petty.

    Sam's still young, but at the top of his game and he can name the Owner he wants to drive for in the IRL.


    BTW: Sam has already made the deal on where he is going. He was giving Panther a last look or the courtesy of thinking they had the last look. The deal is done. He wouldn't of announced he was leaving Panther today if it wasn't.

    Other than Panther, there was one IRL deal on the table and one Nascar deal. Subtract Panther and now it's a 50/50 shot he stays or goes.
    I'm talking high banks man. Texas - 24 degrees. - Kenny Brack

  • #2
    True Legends are made with variety and diversity.

    While Petty, Earnhardt and Mears were the best at what they did, Andretti, Foyt, Gurney and Clark are all true racing legends imo.
    "Living well is the best revenge"

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    • #3
      I'm a legend...............in my own mind











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      • #4
        Originally posted by Railbird
        True Legends are made with variety and diversity.

        While Petty, Earnhardt and Mears were the best at what they did, Andretti, Foyt, Gurney and Clark are all true racing legends imo.
        What the old guy said.

        As far as modern legends, dunno.

        I'd call Senna a legend.

        Schumacher? I don't know I would.

        It can be so subjective.

        You look at Gilles Villeneuve's win total, it's nothing great.

        But his name, to be sure, is spoken in hushed tones.
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        • #5
          What makes a legend today??

          Marketing

          Sad but true.
          "IRL" ... what IS that anyway?

          J. Michael Ringham
          Vice President, Marketing
          IndyCar® Series Indy Pro Series

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          • #6
            Maybe to some degree, but the true fans see beyond that.


            Dale Jr. has had a lot of marketing, but is far from a legend. Same with Jarrett, Rustin Wallace and others.

            If Gordon would take a run at F1 and do well at it, he could be a legend.

            I think Tony Stewert is on his way to becoming a legend, if he comes back to Indy after winning the Brickyard and Daytona and maybe another championship in CUP.

            But he needs to win an Indy or two and an IRL championship against the talent of Helio, Gil and others drving for Penske and Ganassi. He's already beat the best of the old IRL guard.

            dog-ring is already a legend down at Long's....
            I'm talking high banks man. Texas - 24 degrees. - Kenny Brack

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            • #7
              leg·end [ léjjənd ] (plural leg·ends)

              noun

              4. celebrity: somebody famous admired for a particular skill or talent


              It's all marketing.
              "IRL" ... what IS that anyway?

              J. Michael Ringham
              Vice President, Marketing
              IndyCar® Series Indy Pro Series

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              • #8
                The man makes the legend, the legend doesn't make the man.

                A man makes a legend by making the exceptional an every day occurrence.

                A man makes a legend by defying and beating the odds not once but time after time.

                A man makes a legend by being better than the best even on a bad day.

                A man makes a legend by never giving less than 110 percent.
                Dick Ralstin www.dickralstin.com

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                • #9
                  Steve Kinser is a legend.
                  Jack Hewitt is a legend.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by delbert
                    Maybe to some degree, but the true fans see beyond that.
                    True fans????

                    Your so-called "true fans" couldn't fill the back stretch at Richmond.

                    NASCAR fans are the most loyal fans in american sports.

                    Their favorite drivers are Legends to them.
                    "IRL" ... what IS that anyway?

                    J. Michael Ringham
                    Vice President, Marketing
                    IndyCar® Series Indy Pro Series

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                    • #11
                      A somewhat Guinessian act at a very large party, where the majority of the guests are under the influence.

                      Then over time the guests expand the story, some embellishments, some truths, and a general passing down of this immortal (or immoral) act.

                      Now equate this to sports ....


                      OR LEDGE END

                      perhaps an ocean or even an earthquake??
                      Natural Born Cynic

                      What irks me (maybe its too soon for the truth), DW was a 16-oval WIN specialist, yet the vast majority those boohooing for him, hardcarders & fans, alike are the same ones trying to kill anything with more than 9 deg banking & 4 corners, where Dan ultimately made his home...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Dick Ralstin
                        The man makes the legend, the legend doesn't make the man.

                        A man makes a legend by making the exceptional an every day occurrence.

                        A man makes a legend by defying and beating the odds not once but time after time.

                        A man makes a legend by being better than the best even on a bad day.

                        A man makes a legend by never giving less than 110 percent.
                        Dick, it all sounds nice, but if nobody sees this man's accomplishments, he's not a legend to anybody.
                        "IRL" ... what IS that anyway?

                        J. Michael Ringham
                        Vice President, Marketing
                        IndyCar® Series Indy Pro Series

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by CamKing
                          True fans????

                          Your so-called "true fans" couldn't fill the back stretch at Richmond.

                          NASCAR fans are the most loyal fans in american sports.

                          Their favorite drivers are Legends to them.
                          Fireball Roberts is a legend

                          Tiny Lund is a legend

                          David Pearson is a legend

                          Today's Nascar fans don't even know who they were.

                          Yeah, they have their favorite drivers who may be legends to them. Doesn't make them a legend.

                          Marketing to a group of johnny come lately fans in NASCAR does not a true legend make.

                          Legends are made they way Dick described.

                          All else are fan favorites.

                          Legends stand the test of time.

                          Terry Labonte has a lot of fans. I don't think he will ever be thought of as a legend.
                          I'm talking high banks man. Texas - 24 degrees. - Kenny Brack

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by delbert

                            Yeah, they have their favorite drivers who may be legends to them. Doesn't make them a legend.
                            According to Websters it does.
                            "IRL" ... what IS that anyway?

                            J. Michael Ringham
                            Vice President, Marketing
                            IndyCar® Series Indy Pro Series

                            www.jonescams.com yankeegoback.com

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Dick Ralstin


                              The man makes the legend, the legend doesn't make the man.

                              A man makes a legend by making the exceptional an every day occurrence.

                              A man makes a legend by defying, and beating the odds not once, but time after time.

                              A man makes a legend by being better than the best, even on a bad day.

                              A man makes a legend by never giving less than 110 percent.

                              Wow,,,

                              I would of gone off on some ten thousand word dissertation, that made absolutely no sense, and written by an idiot...

                              That pretty well covers it for me...

                              Talent, Courage, Knowledege, making me feel good, doing something I can't, like writing the foregoing...

                              That's the kind of Information, you can only get from a "Grand Poo Bah"....

                              Thank's Dick,,,, that was worth the wait....
                              Last edited by BigWheelHawaii; 08-18-2003, 09:45 PM.
                              Yes,,, Yes,,, Tony,,,

                              Your Grandfather was a friend of Roger Penske,,,

                              Your Grandfather did business with Roger Penske,,, but

                              Your Grandfather never trusted Roger Penske,,,

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