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    Attended my 3rd IRL race at Gateway today:

    Don't know the attendance fig's but it looked like the biggest crowd of the three I've attended. My row was full as were the rows aound us. The crowd looked good throughout the stands. Bunches of folks well down into turn one. Have never seen that before.

    The fan experience stuff is just great. First class in every way. Way to go IRL.

    Many more vendors than in the past.

    The ex-CART teams are very good. No question. However, it is clear to me that many of them race for points, not so much to win. Kanan, Weldon et. al. just got in line at the end. The only guys in the top 10 I saw racing were Hornish and Ray.

    For all their problems, D&R looks sharp getting in and out of the pits. The teams look organized and seem to have a clue. Maybe there is hope.

    Note to Hemelgarn: Sit Buddy down for a race or two. See if it's him or the engine.

    Note to Cheever: Get the 51 car out and put Jacques in it.

    Forget the Tim Spa girls. Large #'s of lovelies in my section seemed most interested in Kenny Brack.

    Parking: Took an hour to get out of the lot. That's 50 minutes more than it has ever taken before.

  • #2
    Great news !

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    • #3
      Only an hour? Wow, they've improved! I went to the first CART race there and was stuck in a cornfield for over four hours. It was the most absurd thing I ever saw. They had only about 40,000 people at the race and had no clue how to get the traffic out of the fields and parking lots. I swore I'd never go back. It was the single worst experience I've ever had getting out of a sporting event.

      IRLybird

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      • #4
        "Note to Cheever: Get the 51 car out and put Jacques in it."


        HAIL YES!!!
        "You people worry too much. Strive for change. Root for your favorites. Enjoy the racing. Drop the flag." rev-ed, 3/04

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        • #5
          Nice report.

          Next time (if there is one) park at the casino just west of the track and ride the train. It will cost less and get you out much quicker.

          It seems like Gateway has given it the ol college try. To bad it looks like they might get the axe. It seems a shame that one of the track that tries the hardest gets dumped when others won't lft a finger and they keep their date.

          BTW it seems like Gateway would like to stay on the schedule.

          http://www.indystar.com/print/articl...-4488-036.html
          If the league is not going to shift their stance on the fees I would imagine all of the ovals would start being replaced by "chamber of commerce financially supported" TV infomercials dressed up like a car race for different city centers across the USA.

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          • #6
            Looked like a very good turnout at the grandstands on the front stretch. So much for possibly losing the Gateway venue. I assume turn 2's bleachers are for the NASCAR race? Good race. Many drivers always compared Gateway to PIR. I could see why, by viewing the in-car cameras during the race. Can't really compare Gateway with PIR going forward, though. Good race despite what happened to Kelley's pit worker, Anton Julian. Pit stalls were incredibly tight. PIR had that problem some years ago, but track officials added slightly longer boxes. First thing that came out of my mouth during the first round of pitstops, "There will be accidents." I hated to be right today.

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            • #7
              Why are the best seats closed?

              I'll never figure out how viewing a race through a wall of chain-link fence is better than sitting in a turn.

              Look where the best seats are at PIR. The Allison Grandstand - Nuff said.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by ovals rule
                Nice report.

                Next time (if there is one) park at the casino just west of the track and ride the train. It will cost less and get you out much quicker.

                It seems like Gateway has given it the ol college try. To bad it looks like they might get the axe. It seems a shame that one of the track that tries the hardest gets dumped when others won't lft a finger and they keep their date.

                BTW it seems like Gateway would like to stay on the schedule.

                http://www.indystar.com/print/articl...-4488-036.html

                ...I agree.

                I also do not want Gateway dropped, and as I've 'ranted' about before, I do not believe it's possible to have 'too many' midwest dates.
                ​a bad day at the race track beats a good day at work

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                • #9
                  It occurred to me that Helio was going too slow in entering the pits. Looking at the back you know something was going to happen. And I guess it did.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by NoviVespa
                    It occurred to me that Helio was going too slow in entering the pits. Looking at the back you know something was going to happen. And I guess it did.
                    Helio had been warned about coming in a little hot before. With no telemetry, he had to guess and likely overcompensated.

                    I'm all for keeping Gateway also.
                    "If TF members were given solid gold cars, some would complain about the color." - stnkypete

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                    • #11
                      I like the whole St. Louis experiance always have a great time there. Hope they come to an agreement and do some fixing up.
                      sa

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                      • #12
                        Re: St. Louis Thoughts

                        Originally posted by reckster
                        Note to Hemelgarn: Sit Buddy down for a race or two. See if it's him or the engine.
                        With the exception of the 2000 indy 500, Helmegarn has never been competitive against the mainstay CART teams.

                        He's hampered by a Gen 3 Chevy with no trick parts

                        He has no sponsor.

                        Yep... must be the driver.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by NDGator
                          Why are the best seats closed?

                          I'll never figure out how viewing a race through a wall of chain-link fence is better than sitting in a turn.

                          Look where the best seats are at PIR. The Allison Grandstand - Nuff said.
                          I'd have to say the Allison grandstand at Phoenix is the best as much for the fact that you are in the shade, and have nice, new (sorta) and clean restrooms and consessions on the concourse level, as it is due to the fact that it's a good view.

                          That said....

                          The crowd did look great!
                          In fact... When is the last time you saw a negative post at TF (or elsewhere) about poor attendance at an IRL race?

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                          • #14
                            I'm all for keeping St. Louis with one condition, improve the pit area. That said, I'm in agreement that you can't have too many Midwest dates. Heck, NASCAR came to prominence by racing in the Southeast. Didn't hurt them a bit.
                            You can't chase the American Dream in a hard-top!

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                            • #15
                              Just another note:

                              Some of my attendees on Sunday at Gateway had never seen an IRL race before.

                              NOW, they want to go to the INDY 500.

                              It's my opinion that MORE midwest dates only helps the 500. It doesn't take away from the other races that much.

                              If you check the license plates at Gateway, most folks were local. The IRL doesn't get 5,000 people traveling more than 150 miles to a race. Thus, you don't hurt a crowd at Milwaukee or Chicagoland by running at Gateway.

                              Sure, it's tough on the 500-2000 hard core folks that might have to choose. But, those people (who I GREATLY appreaciate), are not going to make or break a race with/without their attendance.
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                              Stole our country from the Indians
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                              We took it for our own!

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