If CART goes away or can't afford to continue with Toyota Atlantics what will happen to that series? Could it become a feeder for IndyCar?
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I would imagine that those teams would move to IPS or go in another direction, based on road racing preference or desire.
TA and IPS only have about 14-15 cars for each race maybe if they combine they can have fields of 26-30."Remember, your kids can get student loans, but there's no such thing as a retirement loan."
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Originally posted by Tex
With the Toyota connection, it made me wonder.
Toyata and nissan or just Toyota? Or just Nissan?"The face of a child can say it all. Especially the mouth part of the face" - Jack Handey
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Originally posted by vegasduo
Once the IPS is firmly established I think we'll see another feeder series using spec engines and chassis but running about 10% slower than IPS. I don't know much about them but would Atlantics fit into that senario?
Then you have to put them on the undercard to a late model race in order to get enough eyeballs at the track to see the formula feedercars race.Definition of support series: A series that needs the support of the headliner class to draw a crowd.
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Originally posted by DonnieB
The IPS cars are already slower than supermodifieds on a typical mile oval, but much more costly than the supers. A feeder to IPS would end up being slower than Silver Crown, and still significantly more costly. A feeder to that feeder would end up being slower than sprint cars, and likely way more expensive. I don't think we're headed in the right direction here.
Then you have to put them on the undercard to a late model race in order to get enough eyeballs at the track to see the formula feedercars race.
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You can't run a Super on anything bigger than a mile.
The IRL's feeder series MUST run bigger tracks like Michigan, Kansas, TMS, Nashville, etc.
Running Supers at those places would require a lot of body bags.We flipped our finger to the King of England
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Originally posted by DonnieB
The IPS cars are already slower than supermodifieds on a typical mile oval, but much more costly than the supers. A feeder to IPS would end up being slower than Silver Crown, and still significantly more costly. A feeder to that feeder would end up being slower than sprint cars, and likely way more expensive. I don't think we're headed in the right direction here.
Then you have to put them on the undercard to a late model race in order to get enough eyeballs at the track to see the formula feedercars race.
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Originally posted by DonnieB
The IPS cars are already slower than supermodifieds on a typical mile oval, but much more costly than the supers. A feeder to IPS would end up being slower than Silver Crown, and still significantly more costly. A feeder to that feeder would end up being slower than sprint cars, and likely way more expensive. I don't think we're headed in the right direction here.
Then you have to put them on the undercard to a late model race in order to get enough eyeballs at the track to see the formula feedercars race.Preserving America's oval track tradition:
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"You can't run a Super on anything bigger than a mile.
The IRL's feeder series MUST run bigger tracks like Michigan, Kansas, TMS, Nashville, etc.
Running Supers at those places would require a lot of body bags."
I think most of us see your point Step, but which would be easier. Fixing the IPS to be affordable or fixing the supers to be safer for superspeedways?Some people will do nearly anything in order to be able to not do anything.
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I wasn't talking about running supers at Michigan, I was replying to a post that suggested that IPS needs a RE feeder series, which would be running on short tracks, and would need to be slower than IPS, which already is slower than supers on the sort of tracks that the feeder to IPS would be running on. Further, the idea has already been tried. Mark Alderson's rear-engined series was stillborn due to lack of interest, and fans just didn't care about FF2000 on ovals when it was part of the Hooters series.
As RaceWriter has said, it's like scheduling a football game and then having two soccer teams take the field once all the paying customers have taken their seats.
The IRL and CART have both tried to convince the world that they are the top rung of the open wheel oval ladder, but neither of them are. The IRL is looking like it will soon inherit the top rung of the American open wheel RR ladder, with a series that runs mostly ovals.
CART and the IRL both need to decide which culture that they want to belong to, and create equipment and schedules consistent with that culture. If that means the Indy 500 runs on the IMS road course, so be it. If that means front engined Indy cars, so be it. They need to pick one and go with it. Why anyone would want to take road racing cars and drivers and run an oval series with them is beyond me. There isn't any way at this time to build a top-tier open wheel series that serves both cultures.Definition of support series: A series that needs the support of the headliner class to draw a crowd.
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Originally posted by Lucky161
"You can't run a Super on anything bigger than a mile.
The IRL's feeder series MUST run bigger tracks like Michigan, Kansas, TMS, Nashville, etc.
Running Supers at those places would require a lot of body bags."
I think most of us see your point Step, but which would be easier. Fixing the IPS to be affordable or fixing the supers to be safer for superspeedways?
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Originally posted by DonnieB
I wasn't talking about running supers at Michigan, I was replying to a post that suggested that IPS needs a RE feeder series, which would be running on short tracks, and would need to be slower than IPS, which already is slower than supers on the sort of tracks that the feeder to IPS would be running on. Further, the idea has already been tried. Mark Alderson's rear-engined series was stillborn due to lack of interest, and fans just didn't care about FF2000 on ovals when it was part of the Hooters series.
As RaceWriter has said, it's like scheduling a football game and then having two soccer teams take the field once all the paying customers have taken their seats.
The IRL and CART have both tried to convince the world that they are the top rung of the open wheel oval ladder, but neither of them are. The IRL is looking like it will soon inherit the top rung of the American open wheel RR ladder, with a series that runs mostly ovals.
CART and the IRL both need to decide which culture that they want to belong to, and create equipment and schedules consistent with that culture. If that means the Indy 500 runs on the IMS road course, so be it. If that means front engined Indy cars, so be it. They need to pick one and go with it. Why anyone would want to take road racing cars and drivers and run an oval series with them is beyond me. There isn't any way at this time to build a top-tier open wheel series that serves both cultures.Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati
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