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  • Why is John Darby misrepresenting the IRL's timing and scoring system?

    Gentlemen, start fussin'

    In this, NASCAR's Winston Cup series director points at the 2002 Indianapolis 500 fiasco as evidence no electronic scoring system is foolproof.

    BS! The scoring system working absolutely fine. There was NEVER an issue as to the positions at the last scoring line.

    It was a rule book issue and nothing else. All NASCAR would have to do is add one rule that reverts the positions to the last line.

    This can't be unintentional and he can't be that stupid. So what does he have to gain by trying to mislead everyone everytime he brings this up?

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    Re: Why is John Darby misrepresenting the IRL's timing and scoring system?

    Originally posted by crispy
    Gentlemen, start fussin'

    In this, NASCAR's Winston Cup series director points at the 2002 Indianapolis 500 fiasco as evidence no electronic scoring system is foolproof.

    BS! The scoring system working absolutely fine. There was NEVER an issue as to the positions at the last scoring line.

    It was a rule book issue and nothing else. All NASCAR would have to do is add one rule that reverts the positions to the last line.

    This can't be unintentional and he can't be that stupid. So what does he have to gain by trying to mislead everyone everytime he brings this up?
    It wasn't a rule book issue, nor was it a T&S issue - it was a chief steward issue. If the Chief Steward throws the yellow when he's supposed to, there is no problem.

    As far as NASCAR, they have plenty of their own chief steward issues..
    Last edited by mnkywrch; 07-31-2003, 06:54 AM.
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    • #3
      It was a fiasco.........plain and simple He just called it for what it was worth. I don't think he meant to slam anyone, he just pointed out that even electronic scoring has it's problems and that no system is fool proof.
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      • #4
        I guess it is cheaper for nascar to keep racin back to the yella instead of going for one of them new fangled Electrnik gadgets.

        Sincerely,

        Uncle Jed, sipping some of granny's shine by the cement pond.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by dog-ring
          It was a fiasco.........plain and simple He just called it for what it was worth. I don't think he meant to slam anyone, he just pointed out that even electronic scoring has it's problems and that no system is fool proof.
          I'm sorry, I don't understand this reply Dog.

          What problem did the Electronic Timing & Scoring System have other than it wasn't used?

          If there had been a rule to use the previous scoring line, there would have been ZERO controversy.

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          • #6
            Re: Why is John Darby misrepresenting the IRL's timing and scoring system?

            Originally posted by crispy
            Gentlemen, start fussin'

            In this, NASCAR's Winston Cup series director points at the 2002 Indianapolis 500 fiasco as evidence no electronic scoring system is foolproof.

            BS! The scoring system working absolutely fine. There was NEVER an issue as to the positions at the last scoring line.

            It was a rule book issue and nothing else. All NASCAR would have to do is add one rule that reverts the positions to the last line.

            This can't be unintentional and he can't be that stupid. So what does he have to gain by trying to mislead everyone everytime he brings this up?
            NASCAR seems to have an absolute fear and loathing of any even close to being considered "modern" much less something that might be considered "high tech". Thats why we will never see goodies such as a light weight but safer frame design, aluminum blocks, over head cams or fuel injection. Those items are quite old but still too modern for NASCAR.

            They have a formula that is without any doubt the most popular form of auto racing in the U.S. So why should they change anything at all?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by dog-ring
              It was a fiasco.........plain and simple He just called it for what it was worth. I don't think he meant to slam anyone, he just pointed out that even electronic scoring has it's problems and that no system is fool proof.
              NOPE....the scoring system worked fine. If you look at the reports the IRL had on thier web page, they show Helio ahead by 0.0376 seconds at the timing and scoring line at the end of the backstrech on lap 199. That's one of the key pieces of evidence that was used to "prove" Helio was the rightful winner.

              ALL the data was there...it was up to the rulebook to say what they DO with the data.

              If you were at that race in person, you'd know that they NEVER managed to get all the cars back in proper order behind the pace car, and Tracy, Giaffone, and lap car Hornish were about 1/2 mile AHEAD of the pace car when the pace car & Helio got the checker...hence they couldn't actually "score" those 3 cars as finishing, they had to hand-tweak the results...




              On a related note, Indy's transponser-based timing line scoring system was first implemented in 1990, but not "official" until it was used in 1991. The '90 race was more of a full-scale trial run. In fact, the 1990 race is the only documented time the system "went down." Back then, the computer would plug & chug the numbers, then print them out on paper for hard copies. Allegedely, they ran out of paper, and the computer froze. Luckily it was still being recorded and was eventually retrieved from the hard drive. However, in that moment of panic, the scorers brought out the old tried and true pencil and paper for the last hour or so of the race. They made only ONE error in the end when backchecked with the computer, as they unjustly scored Scott Brayton as completing only 193 laps when in reality he completed 194, he moved up one position, and that was the only change they made the next morning.
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              • #8
                If all NASCAR is worried about when it comes to position on the track, those wonderful GPS systems used by FOX and NBC should be just fine. Funny, NASCAR doesn't seem to have a problem with those.
                It's a Hoosier thing, you wouldn't understand...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by midtown
                  If all NASCAR is worried about when it comes to position on the track, those wonderful GPS systems used by FOX and NBC should be just fine. Funny, NASCAR doesn't seem to have a problem with those.
                  That would require taking money out of the France vault and upgrading the system. It's part of the same arrogant mentality used when asked to fund a dedicated safety team - "no sorry we here at NASCAR know better than the rest of you yokels".

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                  • #10
                    Did he say anything about the way NASCAR FIXES races so that Little E could win.:mad:

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by IndyMJH
                      Did he say anything about the way NASCAR FIXES races so that Little E could win.:mad:
                      LOL! A thread about the Indy 2002 fiasco and somebody whines about NASCAR fixing races!

                      Unintentional humor is the best humor.
                      "It was actually fun, because you're back fully driving again in these trucks. Ninety percent of the tracks we go to in the IRL, you're flat-out. I was having to lift off the corners some here." - Buddy Rice

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                      • #12
                        Turnabouts fair play. A NASCAR guy whines about IndyCar scoring, why shouldn't I say something about their phoney fixed races.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Doctorindy


                          If you were at that race in person,

                          He he heh









                          I was referring to the entire fiasco.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Shadow101
                            That would require taking money out of the France vault and upgrading the system. It's part of the same arrogant mentality used when asked to fund a dedicated safety team - "no sorry we here at NASCAR know better than the rest of you yokels".
                            and the head of the nail takes a sharp blow from the hammer.
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                            • #15
                              My point was not whether or not there was a controversy/fiasco/scoring problem during the 2002 Indy 500. There were issues.

                              However, the electronic timing and scoring system played no part in it.

                              He MUST know that. No one intimately involved with racing could not know it.

                              So why does he intentionally mislead? Why does he suggest that incident is proof of the fallibilty of a system?

                              Why do reporters (like ROBIN, who knows better) let him get a free pass?

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