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  • Twenty years ago today

    I'm surprised no one has mentioned it. Like it or not, it is a very significant day in the history of the sport.

    Friday, March 11, 1994, Tony George announced his intention to form a new sanctioning body for Indy cars.



    I know this is a passionate subject on TF and I know threads like this usually turn ugly. But for those who were around at the time I would like to know what your thoughts were when you heard the news.

    I was in Daytona working the Daytona 200 bike race. The news spread through the tv compound pretty quickly. And I'll be honest - unlike most on here who I'm sure will say they saw how bad it was going to be for the sport, I thought it was a good thing. For the simple reason I was going to get to see more top level open wheel racing.

    Little did I know the impact it would have on my life. Earlier that week I had received a phone call from the producer of the CART races offering me the job of statistician on the telecasts. I had been working in tv part time for six years at that point. As a life-long open wheel fan, it was the dream job. But it would mean quitting my day job of 17 years. They needed a decision before they left for Australia, which was only a couple of days after Daytona. I talked to people I respected in the industry in Daytona and obviously made the decision to take the job. And 19 years and 11 months later I'm still at it. And it's been an interesting journey, seeing it from my position.

    Someone made a snarky comment in the Bob Varsha thread about him being the "Voice" of the US 500 and wondering if Bob needed milk. I can tell you it wasn't that simple. Starting with the '96 season, if you worked in tv doing open wheel, you pretty much went where ABC told you. I was lucky - at the opening race at Disney they asked which race I wanted to work in May. They knew the answer before they asked, but I have always been very appreciative they asked and allowed me to spend the month of May in Indy. I remember horror stories from fellow crew members of snow in Brooklyn on qualifying weekend. But someone had to call the US 500 and that race, along with Elkhart in August, fell to Bob.

    As I said, it would be nice to see a civil discussion of memories of March 1994. But I understand this is, after all, Track Forum.

    Happy Anniversary (?)

  • #2
    I don't remember this day specifically but I can tell you I was young enough to be naive and think, wow there will be 2 series and one is all ovals so it'll be awesome. Once we got to 1997 and the IRL cars looked like bloated whales, I knew there was a problem.

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    • #3
      Yep, and from '96 until about 2005 or so, it was great. Now we have CART II which will ultimately be the death of ICS... if I wanted to see a parade (street courses) I'd go to NYC on Thanksgiving...

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      • #4
        So let me introduce to you the one and only Billy Shears and Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Baaaannnddddddddddd!
        Every race I run in is in preparation for the Indianapolis 500. Indy is the most important thing in my life. It is what I live for. - Al Unser Jr.

        Everything I ever wanted in my life, I found inside the walls of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. - Eddie Sachs.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by andyville99 View Post
          Yep, and from '96 until about 2005 or so, it was great. Now we have CART II which will ultimately be the death of ICS... if I wanted to see a parade (street courses) I'd go to NYC on Thanksgiving...
          That's one vote for moving this to the "Series Direction" forum.
          There's really no such thing as Gary the Moose, Sybil.

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          • #6
            I am pretty much over it. As a history subject, ok. But arguing over it is just stupid.
            "George Bignotti's Sinmast Wildcat (Designed by Bob Riley); delicately built, carefully prepared and boldly driven by Gordon Johncock." -- Keith Jackson

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            • #7
              My earliest memory of it was that there was a display set up at the track near the museum with posters and the like...we walked over and saw it not knowing anything about it..first I'd heard of it was that poster...we all kinda dismissed it as nonsense thought maybe he was bluffing or something....we thought no way in hell he would do something like that...bring such radical changes to something so great and so successful... I was really hoping it wouldn't happen and I didn't really think t ever would...my brother and I had conversations about how crazy it would be for him to try and do it

              But once it did I supported the IRL....I loved then and still do love The 500 Mile Race...so that's what I supported...seems like when cart planned the US 500 is when I got really hard core about my cart hate and IRL support....we went to the first IRL race in Orlando.... we went to the first one in ATL..a few others...watched em all on TV...I was IRL all the way once the split happened...



              I really miss the pre split 500 Mile Race but I still get tons of enjoyment from it today...in fact I've probably had as much fun or more at post split 500s as I ever did at pre split 500s..but its not The same that's for sure
              "I wasn't going to finish 2nd today...2nd was not in the cards...I was either going to win or i was not going to finish at all..." Eddie Cheever-Victory Lane,Indianapolis Motor Speedway 1998

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              • #8
                Originally posted by doitagain View Post
                That's one vote for moving this to the "Series Direction" forum.

                Or just deleting that post and allowing the grown-ups to continue conversation. Myself excluded, but I actually would like to hear more from people who lived it and can be rational about it.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by slompappy View Post
                  My earliest memory of it was that there was a display set up at the track near the museum with posters and the like...we walked over and saw it not knowing anything about it..first I'd heard of it was that poster...we all kinda dismissed it as nonsense thought maybe he was bluffing or something....we thought no way in hell he would do something like that...bring such radical changes to something so great and so successful... I was really hoping it wouldn't happen and I didn't really think t ever would...my brother and I had conversations about how crazy it would be for him to try and do it

                  But once it did I supported the IRL....I loved then and still do love The 500 Mile Race...so that's what I supported...seems like when cart planned the US 500 is when I got really hard core about my cart hate and IRL support....we went to the first IRL race in Orlando.... we went to the first one in ATL..a few others...watched em all on TV...I was IRL all the way once the split happened...



                  I really miss the pre split 500 Mile Race but I still get tons of enjoyment from it today...in fact I've probably had as much fun or more at post split 500s as I ever did at pre split 500s..but its not The same that's for sure

                  I remember now that that display was set up during the second brickyard the one Earnhardt won...we went down there during the delay....that's when I first heard anything about it
                  "I wasn't going to finish 2nd today...2nd was not in the cards...I was either going to win or i was not going to finish at all..." Eddie Cheever-Victory Lane,Indianapolis Motor Speedway 1998

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                  • #10
                    I didn't understand it but it never really hit me until the 1996 500 and the run-up till that. My family was a late adapter to the internet and computers so outside of Road and Track and Car and Driver I didn't really keep up with the new side of OW racing. Plus a lot of the stuff I read made it see like it would be repaired soon.
                    I'd rather have 10% of the world interested in the ICS than 50% of US that NASCAR currently has

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by jkeener24 View Post
                      Or just deleting that post and allowing the grown-ups to continue conversation. Myself excluded, but I actually would like to hear more from people who lived it and can be rational about it.
                      I went with the IRL and also after the US 500 became a hater. After a few years I mellowed and watched selected Cart races. I began to think both sides had made serious mistakes and open wheel racing was spiraling down hill. I was relieved when the split ended. As of now, I still love this sport and always will.
                      Is it May yet?
                      Take me back to a world gone away-James Pankow

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                      • #12
                        The day before my b day. The gift that keeps on giving.
                        "Far better it is to dare mighty things, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat" -Teddy Roosevelt

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                        • #13
                          I think that day probably cost us a 5 time winner (yes I think the 94 winner would have scored 3 more) and another Andretti on the Borg Warner.
                          All roads lead to Indy except for State Road 39 which goes to Martinsville.

                          "These cars are traveling faster than we can react" Eddie Sachs, race day 1964 (Indianapolis Times).

                          I could join the "Mile High Club" without ever leaving my home.

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                          • #14
                            I was in college and at that point went to the 500 but only casually watched the other races. I was certain they would end up reconciling and the 96 500 would run as "normal." Reality sat in when I watched the 96 race on TV. I knew like 6 drivers and it made me very very sad knowing that Little Al, Emmo, PT, Rahal, Mikey, etc. were running the same time somewhere else. I never thought all those in power could be so crazy as to try to split the 500 for 1 year let alone for over a decade. It's not like MLB where you strike and can play the 2nd half of the season and the playoffs and only have a very short-term problem.

                            This is a sad day
                            "You make one **** of a caucasian Jackie." The Dude Lebowski

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                            • #15
                              I was in a weird period of my life in the mid 1990s where I just stopped following racing very closely for a few years.

                              So I have no memory of this announcement.

                              Im not sure I can even recall now when I first learned of the IRL.

                              I do know I was excited that an Indy Car race was being held on the Disney Oval in early 1996.

                              I watched that race assuming I wasnt going to recognize very many names

                              And I was right. I didnt recognize very many names.

                              If nothing else the IRL got me watching Indy Car racing again.

                              It had fallen off my radar sometime in the early 1990s and I was down to following just the month of May

                              Ironically enough Id probably love the early 1990s CART now as I appreciate road course a whole lot more than I did back then
                              Live like Dave

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