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    So whats going to happen next year when teams need to buy all new equipment, when they are having funding issues this year.

    Will there be a ten car series.

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    Wouldn't surprise me.

    If Randy Bernard's initiatives -- and the on-track racing this year -- are successful in generating buzz such that the 2011 season ends with the series healthier than it is now, there's hope for a good 2012.

    Getting corporations to want to jump on board is the key. Because apparently, money talks and talent walks.

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    • #3
      The theory goes that having the 2012 Dallara 'base chassis' built in America will dramatically reduce it's cost, so teams should - at the least - see no increase in their operating expenses over 2011.

      We'll see...
      When asked which race he considered to be the most important to win, Enzo Ferrari would always answer; "The NEXT one."

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      • #4
        I've been told that the cars will be financed over a minimum of 3 years by an Indiana bank the series has ties with, so the teams won't be laying out a large chunk at once.

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        • #5
          No doubt there is going to be a shake up next year but my hopes are that the strong teams survive and the series renews itself.

          If the car count can stay around 20 I would be happy.

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          • #6
            With the reduction of cost of the Engine lease and the lower cost of the car especially the intial offering from Dallara the costs will be about a wash. That remains to be seen but it sounds good at this point. The real issue is inventory of repair components. But surely no one suggests that we should continue to running what is the longest running Indycar in history.
            You cannot wrangle chaos. You can only try to plan for it.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by since 1981 View Post
              The theory goes that having the 2012 Dallara 'base chassis' built in America will dramatically reduce it's cost, so teams should - at the least - see no increase in their operating expenses over 2011.

              We'll see...
              Pretty sure that the 'base chassis' is being built right now; in Italy. There will likely be some assembly done in Speedway but the tubs are going to built overseas. The building in Speedway isn't going to be done in time to do the total build for the first generation of 2012 cars. Maybe in the future but even that's not clear at this point.

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              • #8
                Does is really matter, the world is going to end anyway

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                • #10
                  Indycar has to rid itself of kit car mentality. Set limits on the engine size, weight, length, width, and safety factors and then let teams build/bring a car that fits the requirements. Teams strapped for cash should be able to use older chassis and engine combinations. That's the way it used to be, that's the way it should always be.

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                  • #11
                    Originally posted by tfisch100 View Post
                    Indycar has to rid itself of kit car mentality. Set limits on the engine size, weight, length, width, and safety factors and then let teams build/bring a car that fits the requirements. Teams strapped for cash should be able to use older chassis and engine combinations. That's the way it used to be, that's the way it should always be.
                    So you're saying you only want 10 cars on the grid even if that?

                    Plus, why should we doom smaller teams to finish dead last? This mentality is what's killing F1 right now. The larger teams keep on getting richer and better while the smaller teams struggle on and no one gives a crap. We need to make Indycar different. Make it so that it's affordable and everyone at least gets a chance to finish the top 10.

                    The high tech low regulation strategy is partially what doomed American open wheel (mainly CART) in the first place it it didn't draw in fans mainly in the late 90's and early 2000's.
                    "In IndyCar, no one makes money. It's just great, pure racing." - Sebastien Bourdais

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                    • #12
                      Originally posted by Hitokiri View Post
                      So you're saying you only want 10 cars on the grid even if that?

                      Plus, why should we doom smaller teams to finish dead last? This mentality is what's killing F1 right now. The larger teams keep on getting richer and better while the smaller teams struggle on and no one gives a crap. We need to make Indycar different. Make it so that it's affordable and everyone at least gets a chance to finish the top 10.

                      The high tech low regulation strategy is partially what doomed American open wheel (mainly CART) in the first place it it didn't draw in fans mainly in the late 90's and early 2000's.

                      Small teams are doomed now and will always be doomed.

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                      • #13
                        Originally posted by zapp2525 View Post
                        Will there be a ten car series.
                        Dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooomm mmmmeeeeeedddddddddddddddddddddd!!!
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                        • #14
                          Originally posted by Hitokiri View Post
                          So you're saying you only want 10 cars on the grid even if that?
                          So you're saying back in the eighty-plus years that racers were allowed to design and build cars there were only ten cars on the grid?

                          Originally posted by Hitokiri View Post
                          Plus, why should we doom smaller teams to finish dead last? This mentality is what's killing F1 right now.
                          No. that mentality is not killing F1.

                          The spec car mentality has never helped a pro series, however.

                          Originally posted by Hitokiri View Post
                          We need to make Indycar different. Make it so that it's affordable and everyone at least gets a chance to finish the top 10.
                          There is no such thing as "affordable" professional racing. Budgets and costs are set, not by rulesmakers or self-annointed saviors. The cost of racing is determined by the value of winning.

                          Originally posted by Hitokiri View Post
                          The high tech low regulation strategy is partially what doomed American open wheel (mainly CART) in the first place it it didn't draw in fans mainly in the late 90's and early 2000's.
                          The IICS would kill to draw anywhere near what CART was drawing in the nineties.
                          Last edited by Spike; 02-25-2011, 06:26 PM. Reason: Correction of "eight-plus" to "eighty-plus."
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                          • #15
                            Originally posted by Spike View Post
                            The cost of racing is determined by the value of winning.
                            That is probably the most awesome statement I have read in years.

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