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    The Pressure To Win

    When was the last time you heard anybody in the series talking about the pressure to win? The pressure to do well, the pressure to get winning results.

    I'm not talking about top five's here, or podium finishes.

    I'm talking about I gotta win this race or I'm going to lose my seat.

    We used to hear talk like that all the time. You were only ever as good as your last race. Performance counted. Results spoke louder then words.

    I don't see that anymore, do you? Sure I see Power and Dario bantering back and forth with the media about wanting to win this or wanting to win that and the championship is important. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the pressure and drama that once surrounded these drivers week in and week out to win races that now seems to be missing.

    When was the last time you felt a driver was in threat of losing his seat for not winning races or at least was feeling the pressure?

    Me? I don't remember the last time. Maybe back when Marco was snapping all those drive shafts. I definietly remember the pressure that seemed to be on Marco not only to be winning, but then to be finishing the races. Before that I don't remember. I'd have to go back to Minasian and Junky driving for Ganassi.

    Doesn't seem to be that pressure anymore. A "good showing" seems to be more then adequate nowadays.
    "Try some of these before or after your statements if you are not presenting them as facts. Things like - "In my opinion", or "I think that", JHMO, IMHO, IMO, JMO... Your opinions are not (necessarily) fact. That would clear things up some." - Seadog 03/25/2010 11:40am So the above is JMO.
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    Originally posted by gonzo View Post

    Me? I don't remember the last time... I'd have to go back to Minasian and Junky driving for Ganassi.
    Back when PT broke his back at Long Beach, Forsythe told Servia if he won he would be hired for the year.

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    • #3
      Carpentier used to always kick it up a notch in a contract year!
      Faster...Faster...Faster...I know it, you know it, that's all that matters!

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      • #4
        I like winners!

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        • #5
          Gonzo, no offence but do you think you could start a thread without the phrase 'we used to...' or 'remember when...' in. Your threads really do have a habit of simply being long-winded complaints about the 'good ol' days' which seem to only produce negativity and arguments.

          And to suggest no one is under any pressure to win, or that no one is trying that hard to win, is to me at least a great way to cr*p all over the drivers and teams who spend millions every year trying to do just that, win.

          Just my opinion.
          "While things were not as rosy as the CART fanatics recall, neither were they as dire as the IRL fanatics would have you believe." - Don Capps

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          • #6
            Originally posted by JM64 View Post
            Gonzo, no offence but do you think you could start a thread without the phrase 'we used to...' or 'remember when...' in. Your threads really do have a habit of simply being long-winded complaints about the 'good ol' days' which seem to only produce negativity and arguments.

            And to suggest no one is under any pressure to win, or that no one is trying that hard to win, is to me at least a great way to cr*p all over the drivers and teams who spend millions every year trying to do just that, win.

            Just my opinion.
            Well, go start your own instead of crapping on mine and add to your whopping thirteen thread count.
            "Try some of these before or after your statements if you are not presenting them as facts. Things like - "In my opinion", or "I think that", JHMO, IMHO, IMO, JMO... Your opinions are not (necessarily) fact. That would clear things up some." - Seadog 03/25/2010 11:40am So the above is JMO.

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            • #7
              I find all your threads to be pretty much the same thread.
              "Each day well lived makes every yesterday a dream of happiness and every tomorrow a vision of hope. Look well therefore to this one day for it, and it alone, is life"
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Turn13 View Post
                I find all your threads to be pretty much the same thread.
                What do you expect from a gas bag?
                "Try some of these before or after your statements if you are not presenting them as facts. Things like - "In my opinion", or "I think that", JHMO, IMHO, IMO, JMO... Your opinions are not (necessarily) fact. That would clear things up some." - Seadog 03/25/2010 11:40am So the above is JMO.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by gonzo View Post
                  When was the last time you heard anybody in the series talking about the pressure to win? The pressure to do well, the pressure to get winning results.

                  I'm not talking about top five's here, or podium finishes.

                  I'm talking about I gotta win this race or I'm going to lose my seat.

                  We used to hear talk like that all the time. You were only ever as good as your last race. Performance counted. Results spoke louder then words.

                  I don't see that anymore, do you? Sure I see Power and Dario bantering back and forth with the media about wanting to win this or wanting to win that and the championship is important. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the pressure and drama that once surrounded these drivers week in and week out to win races that now seems to be missing.

                  When was the last time you felt a driver was in threat of losing his seat for not winning races or at least was feeling the pressure?

                  Me? I don't remember the last time. Maybe back when Marco was snapping all those drive shafts. I definietly remember the pressure that seemed to be on Marco not only to be winning, but then to be finishing the races. Before that I don't remember. I'd have to go back to Minasian and Junky driving for Ganassi.

                  Doesn't seem to be that pressure anymore. A "good showing" seems to be more then adequate nowadays.
                  There's no pressure outside the 500 because all the other races have been devalued so much. The championship hasn't mattered in 12 or so years.
                  "It takes a special level of incompetance to make a schedule this terrible. America is possibly the greatest country in the world overall for tracks. To make a bad schedule in America takes effort. A special kind of effort. A kind of effort that only IndyCar could come up with."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by gonzo View Post
                    Well, go start your own instead of crapping on mine and add to your whopping thirteen thread count.
                    I have never been one to post a lot, and most topics which are of interest are generally posted anyway by other users. Posting confrontational and negative threads for the sake of it is pointless. You should bare this in mind.

                    Originally posted by gonzo View Post
                    What do you expect from a gas bag?
                    I'm pretty sure turn13 was talking about you....
                    "While things were not as rosy as the CART fanatics recall, neither were they as dire as the IRL fanatics would have you believe." - Don Capps

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                    • #11
                      OK I'll go. Two teams have dominated maybe a third has been a contender so no owner who hasn't built enough of a team to challenge can rightfully challenge his driver to step it up for a win. There are so many drivers bringing money/sponsorship to a team that the owner can hardly call them out for their shortcomings when that car likely wouldn't be entered without that driver. Drivers have the sense to know that their chances of retaining their ride would bebetter if they won but also know if their team isn't capable of victory AND in many cases not even winning is enough to ensure a driver keeps his ride if the team owner is short on money and a driver with the cash shows up to take the seat.

                      I guess some people need to get the message that, the times have a changed and if you wish to live in the past you're going to be very disappointed with the present no matter what the subject.
                      "You can't arrest those guys, they're folk heroes"
                      "They're criminals"
                      "Well most folk heroes started out as criminals"

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                      • #12
                        The pressure is all in finding the cheque. You understand that, right Gonz?

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                        • #13
                          For me, the pressure is to win the championship. Just put together solid races without crashing and the wins will come. Just beat your title contender.
                          I am a fan of the Verizon IndyCar Series, Formula 1, and AMA Supercross. Go Oriol, Seabass, RHR, and J.R.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by gonzo View Post
                            When was the last time you heard anybody in the series talking about the pressure to win? The pressure to do well, the pressure to get winning results.

                            I'm not talking about top five's here, or podium finishes.

                            I'm talking about I gotta win this race or I'm going to lose my seat.

                            We used to hear talk like that all the time. You were only ever as good as your last race. Performance counted. Results spoke louder then words.

                            I don't see that anymore, do you? Sure I see Power and Dario bantering back and forth with the media about wanting to win this or wanting to win that and the championship is important. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the pressure and drama that once surrounded these drivers week in and week out to win races that now seems to be missing.

                            When was the last time you felt a driver was in threat of losing his seat for not winning races or at least was feeling the pressure?

                            Me? I don't remember the last time. Maybe back when Marco was snapping all those drive shafts. I definietly remember the pressure that seemed to be on Marco not only to be winning, but then to be finishing the races. Before that I don't remember. I'd have to go back to Minasian and Junky driving for Ganassi.

                            Doesn't seem to be that pressure anymore. A "good showing" seems to be more then adequate nowadays.
                            I would say the pressure was quite high on Will Power at Homestead... Just judging by his driving...

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                            • #15
                              I think this is not an unreasonable post

                              The pressure Gonz is talking about only applies to drivers who don't bring a check. The ones who are chosen on ability. And as there are so many ride buyers these days, those drivers don't have that same cold hand clutching at their hearts as the guys who are fighting for their seats every race

                              Of course there is a limit to the size of a drivers check and if I were a KV driver, to pick a team at random, I would start to get that cold hand when I saw my race budget being eaten up by crash damage. So I would be driving more cautiously, not so banzai.

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