Parade... meet rain.

[AFColt]

anybody notice the number of events for 2011 has shrunk by 16% compared to 2010? Yep, things are headed in the right direction!

We had 17 in 2010. In 2011, we'll likely have 16 or 17. Edmonton sounds like its back on, and I'm pretty confident in Vegas for the finale.

[andyville99]

anybody notice the number of events for 2011 has shrunk by 16% compared to 2010? Yep, things are headed in the right direction!

[INDYINDY]

Actually if you listen to what the ex CC guys say the Dallara has less downforce than what they were driving.

The difference here is no doubt more about the power than the downforce. On tight point-and-squirt tracks mechanical grip becomes more important, anyway.

But I still think the car has far too much downforce on the big ovals. Or, alternatively, the big ovals we run are not suitable for these cars. If they can run around the bottom of a track, something is wrong. And CART/CC also got to that point with their later ovals. I think it was at Las Vegas that they were literally riding the white line all the way around. They fans should have booed them out of the place.

[INDYINDY]

Well thank you. Before this I had no idea.

Sorry, I didn't mean to be Mr. Obvious. I just got excited about the video.

[mdkiel]

Great finish & racing, can't (and wouldn't) deny it. But it's easy to pull up a couple of bits of old video from any series and make it look exciting. But for every street race like your example there were another 10 that were just plain follow the leader fuel mileage affairs. And the same can be said about oval and road course racing, CART, CCWS or Indycar.

Yup. I can still hear Paul Page's voice coming back from 3 straight commercial breaks saying, "Nothing has changed in the fight since we left you."

[downtowndeco]

Great finish & racing, can't (and wouldn't) deny it. But it's easy to pull up a couple of bits of old video from any series and make it look exciting. But for every street race like your example there were another 10 that were just plain follow the leader fuel mileage affairs. And the same can be said about oval and road course racing, CART, CCWS or Indycar.

We always tend to look back and remember the great stuff and forget the boring stuff. Not every CART race from 1998 was this exciting. I guess what I'm getting at is we set ourselves up to be continually dissapointed when we unrealistically look back nostalgically. Sometimes the "Good old days" weren't always quite as good as we remember them.

Damn, that was good. A couple of things to note:

First, Herta's tires were toast, so he was definitely holding those guys up. He really wasn't going to keep them behind him without putting them in the wall. Hmmmmm, tires...

Secondly, these were awesomely powerful turbocharged beasts, not overly winged rev-limited pigs. Let's hope Randy and Co. know the difference.

Thirdly, no gimmicks. No freaking push to pass. Just raw horsepower and guts.

This is what Indy Car should look like on a road course.

[Turn13]

Actually if you listen to what the ex CC guys say the Dallara has less downforce than what they were driving.

I believe that is correct... hoop-98 may correct me on this, but I believe the downforce / horspower ratios are close to what they were in '92 - '93 in CART, with their multiple engine and chassis combinations.

Seems to me that F1 made a positive change recently by reducing wing-induced DF in favor of DF generated by the undertray - the smaller rear wings and larger front ones seem to have increased passing and even created some side-by-side scenarios. Of course the fans hated the look at first

[The Stickman]

Damn, that was good. A couple of things to note:

First, Herta's tires were toast, so he was definitely holding those guys up. He really wasn't going to keep them behind him without putting them in the wall. Hmmmmm, tires...

Secondly, these were awesomely powerful turbocharged beasts, not overly winged rev-limited pigs. Let's hope Randy and Co. know the difference.

Thirdly, no gimmicks. No freaking push to pass. Just raw horsepower and guts.

This is what Indy Car should look like on a road course.

Actually if you listen to what the ex CC guys say the Dallara has less downforce than what they were driving.

[mdkiel]

This is what Indy Car should look like on a road course.

Well thank you. Before this I had no idea.

[whburney]

Dooooooooooooooooommmmmmmeeeeeedddddd!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

Didn't they cancel this project? Issues with venting the exhaust from cars in an indoor track?

Still, would be nice in rainy areas.

[Joonyah]

Congratulations on your 1,473rd post...

(Oh, incidentally, for those who may wonder, Joonyah is displaying something called "humor." "Humor" is a useful tool when blasting a viewpoint one finds ridiculous out of the sky on an Internet discussion board, such as this one. It makes one look more like a friend and less like an ass. We've all been asses enough on this subject especially; can we be friends now and simply move on?)

I shall echo your sentiments by saying that if we meet up somewhere, I will buy you a beer.

[INDYINDY]

Damn, that was good. A couple of things to note:

First, Herta's tires were toast, so he was definitely holding those guys up. He really wasn't going to keep them behind him without putting them in the wall. Hmmmmm, tires...

Secondly, these were awesomely powerful turbocharged beasts, not overly winged rev-limited pigs. Let's hope Randy and Co. know the difference.

Thirdly, no gimmicks. No freaking push to pass. Just raw horsepower and guts.

This is what Indy Car should look like on a road course.

[PHJIndy]

:fishingth

Yep!

[skypigeon]

Congratulations on your 11,056th post... it's really a lame one. Are we to assume you like ovals, and are therefore more knowledgeable and sophisticated than those that prefer road/street racing? Perhaps you believe those in the urban or western areas of our country are less intelligent than you? Are you unable to express an opinion without insulting people that may not agree with you?

Congratulations on your 1,473rd post...

(Oh, incidentally, for those who may wonder, Joonyah is displaying something called "humor." "Humor" is a useful tool when blasting a viewpoint one finds ridiculous out of the sky on an Internet discussion board, such as this one. It makes one look more like a friend and less like an ass. We've all been asses enough on this subject especially; can we be friends now and simply move on?)

[Mr. Bean]

I love street races. (puts in mouth piece and straps on boxing gloves)