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  • Observations from the Bridgeton Fall Festival

    With one more day left of the Bridgeton Fall Festival, I would like to share my observations as it pertains to Indy car racing. First of all, this festival is not a racing festival so what you see are just regular people some of which are race fans. Basically your normal down to Earth Midwesterner. Obviously, our business targets the race fan. With that in mind, here are my observations of the past nine days.

    Not one person has come to our booth and said anything positive about what is going on in Indy car racing today. These people said that they used to be big Indy car fans but lost interest because of its direction.

    Most people (I would say 75%-90%), when they see our DVD's and pictures (50's and 60's in particular), comment that these are real race cars and that they would watch Indy car racing again if they ran cars like these. These same people say they are not NASCAR fans but go to the sprint car races around their area. In fact, We have not had very many people that are NASCAR fans stop by our booth.

    ****Note: I know safety is of the utmost importance and the cars from the 50's and 60's were not as safe as today's cars. However, you can make a safe race car using today's technology that looks similar to those cars.

    Most people (70%-80%) said that they quit watching Indy car racing because of the lack of American drivers in the series. (This has been discussed in another thread)

    Most people (85%-90%) said they do not like road racing and watch only the ovals or not at all.

    A few people stopped by and asked if these cars were from NASCAR, and if we had anything with the number 88 on it. This was particularly amusing because we only have open wheel material.

    Everyone here knows my feelings about what is going on with the sport today. However, listening to the casual race fans, along with the more passionate ones, I found the above comments very interesting. I know this subject has been debated for years, and decades, but if Indycar is trying to reach the casual fan, it isn't working. At least in the Midwest. Shoot, it is not reaching the more passionate fans either. By the way, Hoosiers are not the only people that attend this festival. It is attended by people from all of the Midwestern states. It is that big.

    I think everything that can be done should be done to reach these people. The series will not grow without them. Most of the people that I talked to said they would love to watch Indy cars again, but they won't watch it in its current state.

    Brad Edwards

    First Turn Productions LLC.
    www.firstturnpro.com

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    Thanks, Brad. That's the first decent attempt at a public survey about Indycar that I've seen. I'm very worried that the people at Indycar aren't talking to the public; they're just talking to each other. That's typical executive behavior. They may be reading TF, but I don't think there is a strong consensus here, and people here are too close to the sport.

    I'm not sure that Penske and Ganassi would want to follow the lead that your data suggests. I can't see them building glorified sprint cars and running them at IMS. Even if they did, would the people that you talked to come out and pay to watch? I suspect that they are happy with sprints and modifieds.

    I also suspect that the people who spoke to you were mostly 50+. Please feel free to shoot me down. What about the 20-40 group? Did they show any interest? IMO, this is where the real problem lies. They have no emotional bond to the sport, and without them, the sport has no future.

    Brad, did you learn anything about people's attitude towards the CART series, as opposed to IRL? It would be good to know if the public is as polarized and opinionated about this as many hardcore fans are.

    IMO, the most worrisome thing about your data is that it is from the midwest, the home of Indycar. You have to be brave to do market research, because you may find out that there is no market for your product. But without that data, I don't see how you can run a business.

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    • #3
      Brad-

      Sorry if I missed it in your original post, but what would you estimate as the average age of the people you surveyed?

      Thanks.
      http://danwheldon.shutterfly.com/

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Firstturnpro View Post



        Most people (70%-80%) said that they quit watching Indy car racing because of the lack of American drivers in the series. (This has been discussed in another thread)
        Then why didn't they show up at Terre Haute last week for an all-American field?

        Paid attendance at Terre Haute last Saturday night was less than the number of people in the autograph line at Mid-Ohio.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Motie View Post
          That's the first decent attempt at a public survey about Indycar that I've seen.
          Are you aware of the fan forums that IMS are running right now?

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          • #6
            I would say the average age was maybe 40-45. The lack of Americans in the series as why they don't watch/care was a universal comment from all age groups (Ages 25-65/70 or so). As for the type of cars, the older the people were the more the engine moved to the front. Surprisingly, some of the younger group would like to see all the aero stuff removed from the cars (wings ground effects). These were definitely your sprint car fans, but these are the ones that Indycar needs to win over. Ovals were favored among all age groups as well. However, the very few that said they enjoyed the roads were mostly your pre-40 crowd.

            As far as the CART/IRL attitudes from the people that I spoke with, it really never came up. The pre-40 crowd just wished they had more American short trackers to cheer for in the series while the 40 and above crowd lost interest in the late 80's-mid 90's. The main reasons were the retirement of there heroes (Foyt, Unsers, Rutherford, Andretti, etc.) and more road races were being added. They did not like the fact that the drivers that were replacing their heroes were coming from road racing backgrounds instead of the short tracks, so some went to NASCAR, but most just went to more sprint car races and followed them instead of Indycar.
            www.firstturnpro.com

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jorgensen Eagle View Post
              Then why didn't they show up at Terre Haute last week for an all-American field?

              Paid attendance at Terre Haute last Saturday night was less than the number of people in the autograph line at Mid-Ohio.
              I can't answer that. I am just telling you what I was told by the people that I spoke with. Maybe it has something to do with ticket prices and the economy.
              www.firstturnpro.com

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Firstturnpro View Post
                I can't answer that. I am just telling you what I was told by the people that I spoke with. Maybe it has something to do with ticket prices and the economy.
                Interesting.

                Ticket prices and the economy are only hurting USAC right?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Firstturnpro View Post
                  I can't answer that. I am just telling you what I was told by the people that I spoke with. Maybe it has something to do with ticket prices and the economy.
                  So, why didn't more people show up at Terre Haute? A track with tradition. An all-American field, DIRT TRACK RACING.

                  Isn't that the recipe for success we all keep hearing about. Isn't that what is supposedly going to solve things?

                  Maybe it's time to admit that the problems all forms of racing face are much more complex and maybe it's time to drop the silly agendas.

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                  • #10
                    What am I missing here? First of all, who is "firstturnpro"? Second of all what is the "Bridgeton Fall Festival"? How many people surveyed in New York City can pick out an Angus cow from a non-angus cow? Get it- this is completely biased. You are asking he demographic that prefers dirt racing what they would like to see in Indycars? Give me a break.

                    The money is in the cities. The potential casual fans are also in the cities. I doubt there are 4,000,000 people living in Bridgeton are there?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by lotuspoweredbyford View Post
                      Are you aware of the fan forums that IMS are running right now?

                      Mike, are those forums catering to current Indycar fans where they discuss the direction of the series? Because the series already has them watching. The series needs to pay attention to and get back the fans that were lost, and the younger open wheel short track fans if they are going to grow. Like I said, this was not a racing show so these race fans were more of your casual variety. It does not matter where the passionate Indycar fans here on this board or on the IMS forums stand on the issues because most of us watch anyway. The series needs to make it attractive to the casual race fan and win them over. They are not. From my own conversations with these people from the Midwest, they want to see more Americans, less road races, and cars without all of the aero stuff. It is as simple as that. The conversations might have been different on the West coast, but here in the heart of open wheel racing it was not.
                      www.firstturnpro.com

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by millrace View Post
                        What am I missing here? First of all, who is "firstturnpro"?
                        firstturnpro is one of the finest historians and custodians of racing history you will ever find.

                        His knowledge and enthusiasm for the past is unsurpassed.

                        However, his idea for what will work in modern racing is simply not workable.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by millrace View Post
                          What am I missing here? First of all, who is "firstturnpro"? Second of all what is the "Bridgeton Fall Festival"? How many people surveyed in New York City can pick out an Angus cow from a non-angus cow? Get it- this is completely biased. You are asking he demographic that prefers dirt racing what they would like to see in Indycars? Give me a break.

                          The money is in the cities. The potential casual fans are also in the cities. I doubt there are 4,000,000 people living in Bridgeton are there?
                          No, not in Bridgeton, but I would say that well over 500,000 people all over the Midwest visited the town over these last nine days.
                          www.firstturnpro.com

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Firstturnpro View Post
                            No, not in Bridgeton, but I would say that well over 500,000 people all over the Midwest visited the town over these last nine days.
                            That's bigger than the Indy 500. I wonder what the attendance was for the Terre Haute Action Track all year?
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                            • #15
                              Dude, you were in rural Indiana at a fall festival. Your little survey hardly counts as a cross section of anyone but a few people wanting to spend time among the pretty trees in southern Indiana.

                              The reality is that IndyCar was doing well in ratings and attendance, outside of the 500, before Nascar became the kleenex of auto racing and when a foreigner names Andretti was its biggest star. At this special time in history oval fans, road course fans, Indy fans, Long Beach fans, hicks, yuppies, bud drinkers, wine drinkers, tenderloin eaters, cheese connoisseurs, chevy drivers, porsche drivers, historians, future thinkers, country boys, and city slickers all had something that drew them, and held them, to our sport.

                              The good thing: Randy Bernard realizes this truth and is passionate about this dream cross-section coming true again.

                              The all oval, american centric series dream as panacea is a myth.
                              i love indycars!!!

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