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    Next season - we should have a new top 10 in all time wins in Indycar racing:

    (1) A.J. Foyt - 67
    (2) Mario Andretti - 52
    (3) Michael Andretti - 42
    (4) Al Unser - 39
    (5) Bobby Unser - 35
    (6) Al Unser Jr. - 34
    (7) Paul Tracy - 31
    (8) Sebastien Bourdais - 31
    (9) Rick Mears - 29
    (10) Johnny Rutherford - 27
    (11) tie: Rodger Ward & Dario Franchitti - 26
    (13) tie: Ralph DePalma, Gordon Johncock, Helio Castroneves, & Scott Dixon - 25

  • #2
    Futhermore - I just realized that Helio is ALREADY in the top 5
    in all time poles:

    (1) Mario Andretti - 65
    (2) A.J. Foyt - 53
    (3) Bobby Unser - 52
    (4) Rick Mears - 40
    (5) Helio Castroneves - 37
    (6) tie: Michael Andretti & Sebastien Bourdais - 32
    (8) Al Unser - 28
    (9) Paul Tracy - 25
    (10) tie: Johnny Rutherford & Dario Franchitti - 23

    Kind of hard to believe that Rocket Rick could potentially be passed by Helio
    next season!

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    • #3
      I forget some times how much of a beast Michael Andretti was. 94 victories between Mario and Michael not including victories by John and Marco's 1. (Did Jeff win any races?) Then you have the Unsers clan with 108 victories.
      Now that are some racing Dynasties!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Foxracer View Post
        I forget some times how much of a beast Michael Andretti was. 94 victories between Mario and Michael not including victories by John and Marco's 1. (Did Jeff win any races?) Then you have the Unsers clan with 108 victories.
        Now that are some racing Dynasties!
        Jeff never won an Indy car race.

        Marco's had some good runs this year. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he added to the family win tally next year.
        "Only a fool fights in a burning house."-Kang

        "If you listen to fools....The Maaahhhhb Ruuuules....."-Ronnie James Dio

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        • #5
          Dixon has a chance to go way up the chart. He's not all that old yet.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by millrace View Post
            Dixon has a chance to go way up the chart. He's not all that old yet.
            Yeah, he just turned 30 in July. Assuming that the will is strong, you'd like to think he has at least five more good years in him during which he can justify top equipment. He's got a decent shot at getting into the top five in wins.

            And re: Michael, yeah, it always amazes me just what kind of numbers he put up. He's basically the IndyCar version of Darrell Waltrip or Bobby Allison in that he represents the modern era record holder. AJ and Mario raced in a world that was just radically different (like Petty and Pearson did), but Michael's career occurred under comparable circumstances to today's drivers. Similar car layouts, similar numbers of races, similar field sizes, etc. It was at least in the same ballpark. And frankly, considering how good Dario and Dixon and Helio are, it only underlines how great Michael was.
            Last edited by FTHurley; 10-02-2010, 11:36 PM. Reason: Spelling
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            • #7
              This is one of those times you wish the series paid a little more attention to history. Prior to this year there were 13 drivers with 25 or more wins. There was never a season where more than one driver hit that milestone. This year there were three. There was some amazing historical stuff that went on this year that largely went unnoticed. The bright side is that Bernard seems to recognize that this stuff needs to be spotlighted more in the future, but for this year there were still missed opportunities to capitalize on the sport's history.

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              • #8
                Slightly deviating from the topic, it was cool hearing Randy Bernard when interviewed by Danica state that he wasn't really thrilled with Kentucky being celebrated as a record 200th race. He went on to basically say that Indycar history goes back 100 years and it all needs to be celebrated.
                ​a bad day at the race track beats a good day at work

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                • #9
                  There's no way we should be counting Bourdais' wins on the same basis as the other drivers.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Bob Leore View Post
                    There's no way we should be counting Bourdais' wins on the same basis as the other drivers.

                    Why not? They count wins by Greg Ray, Billy Boat & Buzz Caulkins.
                    ​a bad day at the race track beats a good day at work

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bob Leore View Post
                      There's no way we should be counting Bourdais' wins on the same basis as the other drivers.
                      Why not?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by indyracefan View Post
                        Why not? They count wins by Greg Ray, Billy Boat & Buzz Caulkins.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TUBORG-fan View Post
                          Why not?
                          I would count his three wins from 2003 but nothing after CART went bankrupt. With CART's demise the successor CCWS no longer held any claim to the national championship as this was taken over de facto by the IRL when most of the top CART teams changed sides.

                          The quality of competition was so diluted from 2004 onward that it was basically Newman-Haas racing against itself. That Bourdais won so many races is no surprise, but that said, he did not do this against even a Triple-A quality field. There's no way he wins 31 against Ganassi and Penske so why count his record the same as the others.

                          We could say the same thing in reverse about the early IRL drivers but none of these drivers/teams was ever dominant in the way N-H was post-CART. The only thing that sticks out is the post-CART period. It needs to be treated differently. You couple this with the fact that CCWS ran only a couple of token ovals and was very street course heavy and you begin to wonder if this was ever Indy-style racing in the proper sense of the term. I maintain it was not and should therefore not be counted in the Indy racing record book.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by indyracefan View Post
                            Why not? They count wins by Greg Ray, Billy Boat & Buzz Caulkins.
                            Great point. If anything, IRL records from 1996 to 2005 need to be ignored. The competition was pathetic to the point of being illegitimate.
                            "We need to blow up IRL. It needs to be (known as) IndyCar. To the purist, (IRL) is a negative acronym. We need to get away from using it." --- Mr. Randy Bernard.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bob Leore View Post
                              I would count his three wins from 2003 but nothing after CART went bankrupt. With CART's demise the successor CCWS no longer held any claim to the national championship as this was taken over de facto by the IRL when most of the top CART teams changed sides.

                              The quality of competition was so diluted from 2004 onward that it was basically Newman-Haas racing against itself. That Bourdais won so many races is no surprise, but that said, he did not do this against even a Triple-A quality field. There's no way he wins 31 against Ganassi and Penske so why count his record the same as the others.

                              We could say the same thing in reverse about the early IRL drivers but none of these drivers/teams was ever dominant in the way N-H was post-CART. The only thing that sticks out is the post-CART period. It needs to be treated differently. You couple this with the fact that CCWS ran only a couple of token ovals and was very street course heavy and you begin to wonder if this was ever Indy-style racing in the proper sense of the term. I maintain it was not and should therefore not be counted in the Indy racing record book.
                              Agree totally. Spot on.

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