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  • Dan Andersen- Can you offer a response to this?

    In following a number of drivers in the Mazda Road to Indy for the past couple of years, I have become very concerned about the lack of policing going on in these series in regards to some stupid driving and some unsafe and downright dangerous moves made by drivers in the USF2000 and to some regard, the ProMazda series. After seeing the past 2 race series in Toronto and Mid-Ohio, I feel it is time for me to comment on this before a kid gets seriously hurt or, god forbid, worse.

    Most of these kids came up through karting where they were slapped with penalties for aggresive driving, parked for even worse.

    The ones that came through Skip Barber were hammered into their skulls about bad driving, even to the point of if they put a tire off the track, they were penalized. Contact with another was enough to get parked...

    So, these kids running in the USF2000 are now given a much faster car, on faster tracks, with a better level of competition.

    BUT! There seems to be a universal theme of just go for it, drive like hell and damn if anyone is going to pass me. I saw a bunch of it happen in the first couple of races, thinking that the series will try to get a hold of it in the driver meetings, one on one meetings with a driver to tell them that this asn't karting anymore.

    After what I witnessed in Toronto, I have to say something. One of these kids are going to be seriously hurt or worse if you don't get some race stewards and referees around the track. I could not believe the amount of chopping, blocking, ill attempted passes and general dangerous driving. Race 2 saw 15 cars out with damage from contact. I saw the in car footage of Stefan Rzadzinski in practice 1 almost pull a Jeff Krosnoff coming into T3. It will be amatter of time before someone gets seriously hurt if you don't come down with a hammer on them.

    These kids need to know that open wheel racing means contact will end their race. Some don't care as they have some very rich parents paying for all their crash damage, while others with talent and not money are driving with tippy toes around the others with no concern for the rest of the drivers.
    I have not seen a single penaly imposed in the USF2000 series all year, when there should have been some drivers put to the back of the grid, had drive thru penalties, to even having them parked for the rest of the race. It has gotten that bad.

    I have talked to at least 5 or 6 of the drivers that are amazed that some of these kids have not been parked and that they are fully aware in the races when they are around them to avoid.

    Dan, these kids need to be progressed thru awareness and etiquette when racing, and I feel they are learning nothing but bad habits without being told how proper racing is tolerated in the higher series.

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    Why not email via the series website?

    I haven't seen any video of the crashes so I can't offer a substantive comment. Looking at the results, Estrela was docked points for an incident in USF2000 race 1, and is on probation for the remaining races this year. The big crash you refer to was on the first lap of race 3, and Alberico was classified last as a penalty (which IIRC is a 15-20 point deduction).

    As for crash frequency, taken a look at GP2 and GP3 lately? They're arguably worse than Indy's feeder series. Monaco comes to mind as a joke of a race, and as far as I can see no drivers have been banned yet.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by ICS001 View Post
      Why not email via the series website?

      I haven't seen any video of the crashes so I can't offer a substantive comment. Looking at the results, Estrela was docked points for an incident in USF2000 race 1, and is on probation for the remaining races this year. The big crash you refer to was on the first lap of race 3, and Alberico was classified last as a penalty (which IIRC is a 15-20 point deduction).

      As for crash frequency, taken a look at GP2 and GP3 lately? They're arguably worse than Indy's feeder series. Monaco comes to mind as a joke of a race, and as far as I can see no drivers have been banned yet.
      Johnny Cecotto Jr was parked for at least a race in GP2 because of his antics at Monaco. I think for the second Monaco race, in fact. And there have been many penalties issued there due to the, ahem, interesting antics of the drivers. It seems every time I go to the GP2 website on a race weekend, one of the lead articles is detailing the penalties issued post-qualifying or post-race.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Deutsch View Post
        Johnny Cecotto Jr was parked for at least a race in GP2 because of his antics at Monaco. I think for the second Monaco race, in fact.
        Okay. He had to do a lot before that was handed down though, Cecotto's reputation precedes him. Ernesto Viso narrowly avoided meeting a wall with his head due to the idiotic driving of a fellow GP2 driver back in 2007, as far as I know the offender wasn't penalised. Suranovich wasn't banned for helping to send Daly airborne in GP3 either (he was blackflagged when Daly took out his rear wing).

        Originally posted by Deutsch View Post
        And there have been many penalties issued there due to the, ahem, interesting antics of the drivers. It seems every time I go to the GP2 website on a race weekend, one of the lead articles is detailing the penalties issued post-qualifying or post-race.
        Some of them are pointless (drive-through to someone who is already last on track) or unwarranted - calling a driver who crashed into you an idiot is apparently worthy of a fine.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ICS001 View Post
          Okay. He had to do a lot before that was handed down though, Cecotto's reputation precedes him. Ernesto Viso narrowly avoided meeting a wall with his head due to the idiotic driving of a fellow GP2 driver back in 2007, as far as I know the offender wasn't penalised. Suranovich wasn't banned for helping to send Daly airborne in GP3 either (he was blackflagged when Daly took out his rear wing).
          Actually, Daly ended up being penalised for that particular incident. There were a bunch of reasons given for that, basically amounting to 1) Suranovich followed the racing line; and 2) it was Daly's responsibility to make a clean pass. At least if I remember correctly. At face value that seemed like a strange assessment...

          Originally posted by ICS001 View Post
          Some of them are pointless (drive-through to someone who is already last on track) or unwarranted - calling a driver who crashed into you an idiot is apparently worthy of a fine.
          Yes, and often times in F1 I think penalties are way too easily assessed. There's ground somewhere in the middle. I would, however, argue that if a driver does something deserving of a penalty, where he is on the track is irrelevant.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ICS001 View Post
            Why not email via the series website?
            Because I want Dan to answer in a public forum that everyone can see. There are a few of the USF2000 drivers a little upset that there isn't more penalizing of some of the drivers that seem to be consistently creating problems for others.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Team Canada View Post
              Because I want Dan to answer in a public forum that everyone can see. There are a few of the USF2000 drivers a little upset that there isn't more penalizing of some of the drivers that seem to be consistently creating problems for others.
              Care to name the drivers who are upset?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by IndyIsAGas View Post
                Care to name the drivers who are upset?
                Why throw kids under the bus? If you follow any of the drivers on social media you'll know which ones. My guess is anyone who was caught up in one of these incidents not of their own making. There was a lot of avoidable crash damage this weekend, particularly in Race 3.
                “America is all about speed. Hot, nasty, badass speed.” - Eleanor Roosevelt

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                • #9
                  Naming the drivers who complain is the dumbest thing you could ever do. The public perception is that drivers should carry a cutthroat mentality with them because that's 'what makes a champion'. Well, we all know that's what Senna and Schumacher had, and they did pretty well. Now everyone and their dog is trying to emulate it. A driver who races clean and gentleman-like is quickly diminished by the public as not having the spirit to win.

                  But hey, I've been saying this for years and apparently I was boring and could not appreciate good racing. Still, good to see I'm not the only one sickened by this kind of behavior.
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                  • #10
                    So now drivers are suppose to allow others to do their complaining for them. SWEET. Anybody see a problem with THAT ?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by IndyIsAGas View Post
                      So now drivers are suppose to allow others to do their complaining for them. SWEET. Anybody see a problem with THAT ?
                      Some of the drivers have complained, in driver's meetings as well as privately.

                      I just wanted to vent my frustrations over some of the dangerous driving I have seen in a few races and to see what Dan would say here, publicly.

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                      • #12
                        I'm guessing he's a bit busy trying to resurrect the series first and foremost, by not giving it another black eye.
                        " I can tolerate people forming opinions based on ignorance... that happens every day, but don't pass off your ignorance as facts."

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Team Canada View Post
                          Some of the drivers have complained, in driver's meetings as well as privately.

                          I just wanted to vent my frustrations over some of the dangerous driving I have seen in a few races and to see what Dan would say here, publicly.
                          Ok, now relax. Bottom-line. Crash started at front. Not mid-pack like most races (if for inexperience/mistakes or for over-agressive driving). Front pack mishaps alway result in higher number of cars involved. It is not expected by mid-pack cars as the front runners are normally more experienced. IT HAPPENS. Give these kids a break. Give Dan a break, he has no reason to respond. Two cars got together at the front. what the *&&^ do you think would happen. It will happen again. Probably later than sooner. Nobody at the front wanted that to happen in this incident or any other. Sorry but I don't see a bunch of ****-head drivers in this series stinking it up with crazy ass driving. Tons of talent in this years field.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by IndyIsAGas View Post
                            So now drivers are suppose to allow others to do their complaining for them. SWEET. Anybody see a problem with THAT ?
                            I don't think that is what is happening here. We observers are seeing the rough driving and it is something worth speaking up about. That drivers are talking about it themselves is a good thing.
                            “America is all about speed. Hot, nasty, badass speed.” - Eleanor Roosevelt

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by IndyIsAGas View Post
                              Ok, now relax. Bottom-line. Crash started at front. Not mid-pack like most races (if for inexperience/mistakes or for over-agressive driving). Front pack mishaps alway result in higher number of cars involved. It is not expected by mid-pack cars as the front runners are normally more experienced. IT HAPPENS. Give these kids a break. Give Dan a break, he has no reason to respond. Two cars got together at the front. what the *&&^ do you think would happen. It will happen again. Probably later than sooner. Nobody at the front wanted that to happen in this incident or any other. Sorry but I don't see a bunch of ****-head drivers in this series stinking it up with crazy ass driving. Tons of talent in this years field.
                              To be honest, I thought the crash in race 2 Mid-Ohio was just a racing incident. I am talking about numerous incidents throughout the year, usually just between 2 drivers, one trying to pass in places they shouldn't, others with drivers blocking, chopping, running in the wrong lines, etc. If these continue, it will just be a matter of time before someone gets seriously hurt due to a lack of respect of the other drivers.
                              I am not going to give these kids a break, they need to learn to race properly and safely before they move into the bigger and faster cars. Hell, the Skippy series will penalize you for simply putting a tire off the track, contact will get you parked. All I ask for is that this type of supervision be a continuation as the racers progress through the different tiers.
                              I agree that there is a ton of talent. It is these racers who are the ones that are complaining about the lack of talent by a few that need to be explained (penalized or such) about the rules of the track.

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