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  • #16
    Monaco is a very challenging track, and absolutely deserves to stay. Taking it off would be like taking the Daytona 500 off the NASCAR schedule or the Indianapolis 500 off the IndyCar schedule.
    "I felt the long-term protection of the "500" depended on a solid series of top level open-wheel, oval track races. To that end, this league was created because CART provided no long-term guarantees to the "500" or to oval track racing."

    Tony George, "The IRL and the '500' Future", October 24, 1995

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    • #17
      The history and tradition and grandioseness of the Monaco Grand Prix far outweigh the need for the actual race itself to be rivetingly competitive.

      So what if there's not a lot of passing. The course is challenging enough. And they fill the stands and millions of people watch on TV.
      Doctorindy.com

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Doctorindy View Post

        So what if there's not a lot of passing. The course is challenging enough. .
        With the metric #$$%^ ton of money the parties involved have, is it completely impossible to add passing zones? They fill in the bay there for new land, right?

        It is a wonderful place/event, be a shame if the cars just outgrew it.

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        • #19
          It pains me to say that Monaco is now the perfect track for formula E.

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          • #20
            There's more to racing than passing. And there's more to a great racetrack than artificial so-called "passing zones." (That's one of those terms that makes me want to tune out when I hear it, sort of like when managers say the word, "solutions.") Not everything has to be 4-wide for the lead in every corner.

            "Only a fool fights in a burning house."-Kang

            "If you listen to fools....The Maaahhhhb Ruuuules....."-Ronnie James Dio

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Sea Fury View Post
              There's more to racing than passing. And there's more to a great racetrack than artificial so-called "passing zones." (That's one of those terms that makes me want to tune out when I hear it, sort of like when managers say the word, "solutions.") Not everything has to be 4-wide for the lead in every corner.
              There need to have areas on the track to make a pass.. or its just a parade
              "Paff has been closer to the mark than anyone will give him credit for."

              Richard Kimble 11/18/2010

              "Paff is far more right than any of you will EVER give him credit for.

              As non politically correct and un IndyCar friendly as it is, it's the truth. "

              SeeuInMay 12/29/2010

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Sea Fury View Post
                There's more to racing than passing. And there's more to a great racetrack than artificial so-called "passing zones." (That's one of those terms that makes me want to tune out when I hear it, sort of like when managers say the word, "solutions.") Not everything has to be 4-wide for the lead in every corner.
                There has to be somewhere on a track where a faster car can pass a slower car without the latter moving over. Monaco has no such place. The track is too short and too narrow and has been for decades. It's on the schedule because it always has been. F1 is stuck with it, for better or worse.
                The Ayn Rand of Indycar

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                Crapping all over threads since 2000.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by DaveL View Post

                  There has to be somewhere on a track where a faster car can pass a slower car without the latter moving over.
                  Why? Passes mean more to me when you have to work for them.

                  It's not impossible to pass at Monaco-just very difficult.
                  "Only a fool fights in a burning house."-Kang

                  "If you listen to fools....The Maaahhhhb Ruuuules....."-Ronnie James Dio

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Sea Fury View Post

                    Why? Passes mean more to me when you have to work for them.

                    It's not impossible to pass at Monaco-just very difficult.
                    I would be on board if there were examples of pretty much any overtakes each year at Monaco. Honestly, there are very, very few such examples recently. And the reason is this (current cars are far left):

                    formula-1-car-size-over-the-years.jpg

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                    • #25
                      There has been great racing with lots of passing at the Monaco Historics the last several years. Especially in the group for 1973-1980 F1 cars that are usually driven by pro drivers because the much shorter wheelbase allows it, plus non-carbon brakes. Lots of vids on youtube for that bi-annual event.

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                      • #26
                        that race would be ok if the tire choice was superhardest and totallysuperhardest.

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                        • #27
                          Where Pete Aron almost killed Scott Stoddard and went swimming in the process.

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                          • #28
                            It's more to do about that tail gate party happening on the backs of those 50 million dollar boats.

                            If there was ever a parade to attend, Monaco is the one.
                            "Far better it is to dare mighty things, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat" -Teddy Roosevelt

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Jim Wilke View Post
                              Where Pete Aron almost killed Scott Stoddard and went swimming in the process.

                              While wearing Chris Amon's helmet.
                              "Only a fool fights in a burning house."-Kang

                              "If you listen to fools....The Maaahhhhb Ruuuules....."-Ronnie James Dio

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                              • #30
                                They have more than enough races now to hope for a barn burner or three or four.

                                Keep Monaco because its Monaco.

                                It would be different if it was an annual awful event that no one cares about at a one lane maze in some trillionaire oil despots home county
                                Live like Dave

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