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  • #31
    Originally posted by JThur1 View Post
    Did a quick search and found this...

    Los Angeles Times, September 17, 1971
    "Road Racing Restored to the Marlboro Trail"
    Mount Pocono, PA (AP) - Road racing has been restored to the Marlboro championship trail by the board of directors of the sponsoring United States Auto Club. The board voted in Indianapolis earlier this week to dissolve the separate road racing division which operated on a limited basis during the current campaign. The separate dirt track division for championship cars was left in tact.

    The tentative 1972 schedule includes five road course and a dozen oval track events, including the sanctioning body's "Triple Crown" of 500 mile races at Indianapolis, Pocono and Ontario.
    It looks like they proposed running at Continental Divide, Donnybrook. Bridgehampton, Road Atlanta, and Mosport in 1972. They also proposed adding a race called the Florida 500 at a track (Florida International Speedway) that was never built.
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    • #32
      It looks like they proposed running at Continental Divide, Donnybrook. Bridgehampton, Road Atlanta, and Mosport in 1972. They also proposed adding a race called the Florida 500 at a track (Florida International Speedway) that was never built.
      Continental Divide and Bridgehampton held their last pro races in 1970. CDR was closed in early 1973 when the owner found out he had cancer.
      Info from Lost Road Courses by Martin Rudow.

      The book does mention a Winston West race at CDR in 1982, I get the impression that the author does not consider that "Professional".
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      • #33
        Originally posted by KenK View Post

        Continental Divide and Bridgehampton held their last pro races in 1970. CDR was closed in early 1973 when the owner found out he had cancer.
        Info from Lost Road Courses by Martin Rudow.

        The book does mention a Winston West race at CDR in 1982, I get the impression that the author does not consider that "Professional".
        Just more lack of respect for Western racing, borne from a lack of knowledge.

        I remember how surprised I was when CDR turned up on the West series schedule. I hadn't heard anything about the track for years.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by Pelican Joe View Post

          It looks like they proposed running at Continental Divide, Donnybrook. Bridgehampton, Road Atlanta, and Mosport in 1972. They also proposed adding a race called the Florida 500 at a track (Florida International Speedway) that was never built.
          That's another part that is overlooked. USAC had plans for races at more ovals. That means in addition to Phoenix, Trenton, Ontario, IMS, Milwaukee, Michigan and Pocono (don't forget Texas too, though it wasn't yet on the schedule), there were the planned West Virginia, Florida and Meadowdale ovals, along with the thought that Hanford would improve its facilities. Those three phantom tracks all made their way on to the schedule, and Hanford made it back as well. It didn't take long for it to all fall apart, but they were scheduled. There were a few other tracks that got as far as the proposal stage.
          "Versions of a story that are more tidy, compact, and camera-ready should generally be viewed as historically suspect." - Jackson Landers

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          • #35
            Originally posted by JThur1 View Post
            That's another part that is overlooked. USAC had plans for races at more ovals. That means in addition to Phoenix, Trenton, Ontario, IMS, Milwaukee, Michigan and Pocono (don't forget Texas too, though it wasn't yet on the schedule), there were the planned West Virginia, Florida and Meadowdale ovals, along with the thought that Hanford would improve its facilities. Those three phantom tracks all made their way on to the schedule, and Hanford made it back as well. It didn't take long for it to all fall apart, but they were scheduled. There were a few other tracks that got as far as the proposal stage.
            The last professional race held at Meadowdale was in 1968. When was USAC looking to run there?
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            • #36
              Originally posted by JThur1 View Post
              That's another part that is overlooked. USAC had plans for races at more ovals. That means in addition to Phoenix, Trenton, Ontario, IMS, Milwaukee, Michigan and Pocono (don't forget Texas too, though it wasn't yet on the schedule), there were the planned West Virginia, Florida and Meadowdale ovals, along with the thought that Hanford would improve its facilities. Those three phantom tracks all made their way on to the schedule, and Hanford made it back as well. It didn't take long for it to all fall apart, but they were scheduled. There were a few other tracks that got as far as the proposal stage.
              After the 1979 "split" season was over, USAC released a somewhat revamped schedule for 1980 that included Mid-Ohio, Mosport and Road Atlanta (as well as Talladega and Charlotte). But some weeks after that, they changed directions and created the joint CART/USAC "CRL" merged schedule. As it ended up, all but Mid-Ohio on that list were scrapped.

              https://www.newspapers.com/clip/5716090/


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              • #37
                Originally posted by Oddy View Post

                The last professional race held at Meadowdale was in 1968. When was USAC looking to run there?
                It was on the 1970 and 1971 USAC Championship schedules as Illinois International Raceway. It was cancelled in 1970 and still put on the 1971 schedule, despite the oval never being built.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Doctorindy View Post

                  After the 1979 "split" season was over, USAC released a somewhat revamped schedule for 1980 that included Mid-Ohio, Mosport and Road Atlanta (as well as Talladega and Charlotte). But some weeks after that, they changed directions and created the joint CART/USAC "CRL" merged schedule. As it ended up, all but Mid-Ohio on that list were scrapped.

                  https://www.newspapers.com/clip/5716090/

                  Though USAC participated in the formation of the Championship Racing League, it did not create the CRL as you claim. USAC would not have granted itself minority representation on the CRL board had it been the CRL's creator, IMS President John Cooper and others said. Cooper laid the foundation for the CRL by authoring the original proposal that brought CART and USAC together. By his own admission, Cooper would later become a prime mover in the CRL's destruction. He sent a letter to USAC following the 1980 Pocono 500 saying that he was dissatisfied with the composition of the CRL board. He threatened to end USAC's sanction of the Indianapolis 500. Cooper gave USAC days to respond to his letter. Cooper seemed to have gotten his way when, on the final day before his deadline, USAC held an emergency board meeting and voted to cease involvement in the CRL. USAC also voted to replace its board with a 12-man board more to Cooper's liking. The only no votes cast at the meeting came from Pat Patrick and Roger Penske.

                  The Pocono 500 race was supported by IMS.

                  Mid-Ohio's addition to the 1980 USAC champ car calendar did not come about because of alleged "previous talks" between the sanctioning body and Mid-Ohio founder Les Griebling over staging an Indy car event at the Buckeye State circuit. That is spin. The establishment of the race had everything to do with a demand from Mid-Ohio sponsor Jim Trueman for an Indy car event. Trueman was not interested in which group obtained the race sanction. Trueman, an insecure, narcissistic, unknowledgeable bully, just wanted something he could boast that he alone could do that nobody else, especially a perceived lifelong thorn in his side, could accomplish, according to multiple interviews and documents reviewed. Trueman would end up acquiring Mid-Ohio the following year after torpedoing a longstanding agreement Griebling had to sell the facility to another motorsports figure upon Griebling's retirement.

                  When Mid-Ohio's Indy car race became a political casualty of the dissolution of the CRL, Roger Penske successfully argued that the not-dead-yet event should be conducted in accordance with USAC's guidelines, not CART's. His thinking was based on the fact that Griebling originally signed a contract with USAC to stage the race and not a pact with CART. That contract should be respected, according to R. Penske. Consequently, USAC's guidelines should be respected, too.

                  "Roger Penske is the best friend you could have," Penske Racing driver Bobby Unser said at Mid-Ohio days before the race. He remarks primarily were aimed at the USAC-affiliated contingent gathered there. Unser believed he was acting as a public voice of reason. Though Unser's rhetoric was inflammatory, he indicated he wanted people on both sides of the divide to view things in their fiery context, hence the language. Unser also stood up for Cooper at times, saying he felt the IMS leader had gotten bad advice. He stood up for USAC at times, too, during his sermon. Unser termed the disintegration of the CRL anti-democratic, declaring that Cooper rounded up all of the CART and USAC Indy car racers, led them to a watering hole and that the oasis turned out to be a butchering pen. He made things seem nice, the Indy winner said of Cooper, Then, "ker-smacko."

                  Four days before the Red Roofs Inns 250, promoters for all but one of the Indy car races scheduled to follow Mid-Ohio reportedly had committed to CART sanctioning agreements.
                  Last edited by editor; 10-30-2020, 10:24 AM.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by editor View Post

                    Though USAC participated in the formation of the Championship Racing League, it did not create the CRL as you claim. .
                    I was not claiming USAC "created" the CRL, that's a misunderstanding of what I was trying to write. The sentence would have been better structured as "a merged schedule was created". That is the consequences of jotting down quick snippets and quick thoughts on a message board.

                    Thanks for the rest.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by JThur1 View Post
                      It was on the 1970 and 1971 USAC Championship schedules as Illinois International Raceway. It was cancelled in 1970 and still put on the 1971 schedule, despite the oval never being built.
                      Thank you for the clarification , it sounded like you were talking about the non-existent oval but I wasn't sure.
                      “Church supper with grandma and granddad, lets go out and have ourselves the best time we ever had" - John Mellencamp

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                      • #41
                        This is the rare occasion when the Nostalgia forum is suddenly the most relevant one on the board:

                        http://usacracing.com/component/k2/i...ca-by-yokohama

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