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Coke 600, end of stage 2, stoppage of race to honor fallen heroes

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  • #31
    Originally posted by KevMcNJ View Post

    Many asked the same thing about stages.
    And they were right.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by ajwest View Post
      I quit watching the 600 years ago. Got to be nothing more than a follow a leader race.
      Like the dozen other cookie cutter races on the schedule. It's one thing to go to a home track on a weekly basis because it's your home track... but NO ONE wants to see a national touring series race at the same track 15 times a year.

      The biggest difference between the 600 and the rest is that the 600 is about 3 hours too long instead of just 2 hours too long.

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      • #33
        Of course, if the "cookie cutter" EXCUSE was real, and not just another EXCUSE then we would see higher ratings when the series goes somewhere besides these tracks. We do not. Rather the entire series has collapsed, regardless of where the races are held.

        Becuase it is not the tracks, it is what is going on on those tracks. Include the idiocy of segments.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by MoparsRule View Post

          And they were right.
          Yes, they were. However, I have to admit to the concept of the stages wouldn't bother me much if it wasn't for the stinking yellow flag after them. Whether I like them or not (I don't), I can accept an occasional competition yellow on a really green track as being something that the folks upstairs have decided is important for safety - at least as long as they aren't regular events. This doesn't fall into any category other than planned commercial time which is something completely different and vastly more annoying.

          And, yeah, the 600 is painfully long without an additional commercial break designed to look like a salute to the troops.
          Eff LBD!

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          • #35
            Originally posted by SamC View Post
            Of course, if the "cookie cutter" EXCUSE was real, and not just another EXCUSE then we would see higher ratings when the series goes somewhere besides these tracks. We do not. Rather the entire series has collapsed, regardless of where the races are held.

            Becuase it is not the tracks, it is what is going on on those tracks. Include the idiocy of segments.
            No, we don’t... what casual fan wants to eyeball the schedule to see when something different is finally coming up?

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            • #36
              Lots, back when the sport was well run, and we were turning "casual fans" and even "never heard of it non-fans" into fans. Back when the product on the track was proper.

              Now, would it have been better if back during the track building boom, to have not build so many "cookie cutter" tracks? Sure. But, likewise, NASCAR, as currently managed, could have 32 tracks totally different one from another and it would still be in the same mess it is today. That is why it is an EXCUSE. Excuses are big things you cannot change. Millenials, attention spans, tracks all the same, it was a fad, car as an appliance, blah, blah, blah. Thus absolving of responsibility those who are responsible.

              We need to stop looking for excuses, and start finding the reasons. And almost any casual observer of the sport for the last 20 or so years, knows that those reasons are.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by mstove View Post

                Yes, they were. However, I have to admit to the concept of the stages wouldn't bother me much if it wasn't for the stinking yellow flag after them. Whether I like them or not (I don't), I can accept an occasional competition yellow on a really green track as being something that the folks upstairs have decided is important for safety - at least as long as they aren't regular events. This doesn't fall into any category other than planned commercial time which is something completely different and vastly more annoying.

                And, yeah, the 600 is painfully long without an additional commercial break designed to look like a salute to the troops.
                I would actually really like the stages if it weren’t for the stupid yellow flag.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by SamC View Post
                  Lots, back when the sport was well run, and we were turning "casual fans" and even "never heard of it non-fans" into fans. Back when the product on the track was proper.

                  Now, would it have been better if back during the track building boom, to have not build so many "cookie cutter" tracks? Sure. But, likewise, NASCAR, as currently managed, could have 32 tracks totally different one from another and it would still be in the same mess it is today. That is why it is an EXCUSE. Excuses are big things you cannot change. Millenials, attention spans, tracks all the same, it was a fad, car as an appliance, blah, blah, blah. Thus absolving of responsibility those who are responsible.

                  We need to stop looking for excuses, and start finding the reasons. And almost any casual observer of the sport for the last 20 or so years, knows that those reasons are.
                  Excuse? Huh? I'm not making excuses for anything.

                  What i do hear - and only from race fans - is how the tracks completely lack character and individuality. How boring the racing is, and has been.
                  That’s not an excuse... it’s a simple fact of the product on these boring tracks.

                  This sport hit it's peak and it's not going there again no matter what the suits running it do. But what they are adept at is pushing fans away.
                  Last edited by MoparsRule; 05-14-2019, 03:56 PM.

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                  • #39
                    Anyway...

                    whatever you do, don’t criticize the military or religious moments.
                    so I won’t.
                    But my favorite still remains the Invocation at a Phoenix truck race years ago:

                    ”Lord, when we see all these trucks, we know how much you love us...”
                    "The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made."
                    ~~Groucho Marx
                    I have the hots for Khaleesi...

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                    • #40
                      ...and cut the season down to one race per track would be a good first step.
                      "The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made."
                      ~~Groucho Marx
                      I have the hots for Khaleesi...

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                      • #41
                        Just trivia, but IIRC in the early days of the truck series, they did have a 'half time' and/or 'stages' at some races. Originally the truck series ran 125 milers with no planned pit stops..cost control as the teams didn't need to have pit stop specialists as well as some tracks not having big enough pits or having 'outside the track' pits.. As the races grew in length and fuel/tire stops became required, there were planned breaks, starting with a 5 minute 'half time'...no changes in position during the break.
                        BAN SHREDDED CHEESE! MAKE AMERICA GRATE AGAIN!

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                        • #42
                          The "it peaked" is also an excuse. No sport in history has ever collapsed in such a period of time as NASCAR has. Never. None. "It peaked" implies that this was a natural thing. That things come and go. Nope. Man made.

                          The more I think about it, I think Land is right. This clueless crew ACTUALLY BELIEVES it needs a halftime.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by KevMcNJ View Post
                            The adjective Im trying to think of escapes me.

                            Maudlin? Cloying? Mawkish? Something along those lines.
                            This nails it. I support the military and we owe them a debt we cannot repay. I tear up at those surprise family reunions.

                            But, there are times I wonder if a group or person over-does it and it gets into mawkish territory. This is one.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Jakester View Post
                              Just trivia, but IIRC in the early days of the truck series, they did have a 'half time' and/or 'stages' at some races. Originally the truck series ran 125 milers with no planned pit stops..cost control as the teams didn't need to have pit stop specialists as well as some tracks not having big enough pits or having 'outside the track' pits.. As the races grew in length and fuel/tire stops became required, there were planned breaks, starting with a 5 minute 'half time'...no changes in position during the break.
                              Which was OK when the Trucks were embraced as a low-cost, entry level, "Double-A" league.

                              But that sort of stuff doesn't have a place in what is billed as the Greatest Race Drivers in the World.TM
                              Doctorindy.com

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                              • #45
                                I just watched David Lands vlog about the halftime moment of silence.

                                Hes brilliant and cynical enough to have figured out that this could be a trial balloon by NASCAR to see if a halftime break would work in Cup

                                It is evil genius stuff.

                                Its FOR THE TROOPS so no one will dare say a bad word without getting destroyed for hating the military.

                                Meanwhile they're using it as a trial run for their latest greatest bad idea
                                I hope he's wrong, but his theory is quite believable.
                                Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who is the Keenest of them all?

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