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  • Are Jeff Gordon and Ryan Newman Nascar Bashers?

    Seems they're saying some things that would get them attacked over here as bashing Nascar.

    Hats off to Nascar for some of their safety efforts but they ring hollow when there are such obvious changes as not racing back to the line and having your own travelling safety team.

    I frequently get accused of bashing Nascar when I bring this up but the reality of it is that if Nascar is going to take so **** many of my favorite drivers then I'd appreciate it if they take good care of them.
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  • #2
    The NASCAR "safety" program continues to be re-active instead of pro-active.
    Racing back to the line has to be one of the most dangerous actions allowed in modern day motorsports.

    Safety comes first
    The Show should come second
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    • #3
      I think the pressure is starting to get to the powers that be at Nascar since many of their "stars" are now raising HeII. Gordons public display at Watkins Glenn did more damage than you might think. Nascar doesn't like bad press and I think the drivers are now starting to realize that if they have a common voice about something then Nascar can't quiet them down.
      I'm thinking of starting a What kind of Safety should Nascar have thread just to see what ideas are out there. I have my own ideas but I don't want it too get into a pizzing match between postersbecause I don't like nuking threads that I start

      Stay tuned.
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      • #4
        Great posts by all 3 of you.
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        • #5
          This was one of the subject during the pre-race show on NBC on Sunday. Pretty much all of the drivers are for a travelling saftety crew, Helton thinks it's fine the way it is (surprise). They showed the Zanardi wreck in Germany, and talked to Trammel. They talked about how severely he was hemorahging (sp) and the actions they took to get him air-vaced so quickly, which in turn saved his life.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by lutesk
            This was one of the subject during the pre-race show on NBC on Sunday. Pretty much all of the drivers are for a travelling saftety crew, Helton thinks it's fine the way it is (surprise). They showed the Zanardi wreck in Germany, and talked to Trammel. They talked about how severely he was hemorahging (sp) and the actions they took to get him air-vaced so quickly, which in turn saved his life.
            That is what scares me the most. Nascar has clearly seen how this can save lives and yet they don't do anything about it. Very scary stuff.
            IRL, Champcar and F1 fan

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            • #7
              Could they just be waiting for the Simple Green guys to become available?

              It seems quite Nascar-like to me to be way behind on an issue, then proclaim themselves the leader, and having the #1 safety crew (which I believe cart's guys are) would go a long way for the good ole boys and their beloved bragging rights.

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              • #8
                If I’m not mistaken it’s Helton’s contention that having local medical personnel at each race is better than having traveling doctors because the locals are on the front lines i.e. emergency rooms, everyday and are used to dealing with trauma everyday.

                Why not have the best of both worlds.

                First thing that has to happen is get rid of the racing back to the yellow. If an accident happens, the yellow is thrown (yellow light around the track come on) the drivers immediately slow down, NASCAR comes on every drivers comm channel and gives a stay high/stay low instruction to let the drivers know where they should head for on the track to avoid the accident scene.

                Depending on the size of the track, safety trucks should be placed at intervals that would allow them to immediately start to roll when the caution comes out and reach the scene in a matter of 30 seconds (or what every timeframe is deemed suitable). These safety trucks along with their core crew (non medical) would travel with NASCAR.

                There would be one traveling trauma expert, ala Dr. Olvey (sp?) or Dr. Trammel, to over see the “local” trauma experts recruited from local hospitals. Each safety truck would have one of these trauma experts on it along with supporting medical personnel.

                Just my opinion

                Farkle

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                • #9
                  Farkle........you took my exact thoughts and put them into your post. I think this would be the ideal way to do it. The only hold back would be that if Nascar hires people to travel then they are subjecting themselves to accepting responcibility for the medical care received on the track and therefore the liability for same. Given their past I don't think they will subject themselves to the liability.
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                  • #10
                    The only hold back would be that if Nascar hires people to travel then they are subjecting themselves to accepting responcibility for the medical care received on the track and therefore the liability for same. Given their past I don't think they will subject themselves to the liability.
                    Problem solved, place a lawyer on each safety truck as well

                    I wonder how CART gets around the liability issue?

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                    • #11
                      So what did Jeff and Ryan say, already???
                      If you do what you've always done...

                      you'll get what you've always gotten.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by TxIndyFan
                        So what did Jeff and Ryan say, already???
                        NASCAR needs travelling safety crews. Recent response time to both of these drivers' crashes were over a minute each. They thought it was too long, as it was.
                        He kani 'ano 'e loa kela. Ua 'ai nui anei 'oe ma ke kakahiaka?

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                        • #13
                          Response time isn't the only issue. These part timers (by part timers, I mean part time to motorsports rescue) have limited knowledge of not only the cars but the drivers themselves. Medical crews in the IRL, CART and NHRA have driver history at the ready. This information can be invaluable when extracting a driver from a half-crushed vehicle.
                          Also, NASCAR has no real formal procedure for clearing a driver as able to drive after an accident. Safety starts with a driver that is 100%.
                          Not trying to speculate but, after Dale Jr's comments last season, how many drivers have been active while feeling the effects of a concussion? I can say that it doesn't happen in other series.
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                          • #14
                            dog:
                            I know full well what you mean! Several months ago I was called a basher and a commie for makin' the same points. If I remember correctly, it was you who popped in and agreed with me that the liability issue, was the long and short of the deal. Now, as then, Thanks!
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                            • #15
                              These part timers (by part timers, I mean part time to motorsports rescue) have limited knowledge of not only the cars but the drivers themselves
                              The core crew that mans the safety trucks would be NASCAR employees with knowledge of the structural aspects and workings of the cars and be there to help the doctors. The NASCAR trauma specialist would arrive (hopefully) within a matter of seconds after the safety truck, with local trauma specialist, got to the accident. This NASCAR specialist would be familiar with the driver’s medical history or have instant access to that medical history via a wireless connection to a database located on a computer in the medical center. Also, I don't think it would take much to train local trauma specialists about the kind of injuries associated with racing accidents.

                              Again, just my opinion

                              Farkle

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