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    Yep, its true. All us whiners have to give AJ Foyt the credit here, as he tests one of USAC's up-and-coming roundy-rounders, at Homestead today.







    He has scouted out the USAC ranks, looking for the best talent, and chosen Chilean oval track sensation Pablo Donoso, to test his IRL sled, at Homestead. Sure, he never won a race in USAC Silver Crown (while his various teammates did) with Foyt's team. But, winning is overrated. If Cameron Dodson or Tracy Hines really "wanted it", maybe they'd earn their shot too. And, with those 12 car fields, it was tough to win them races.

    The fact that Pablo comes with backing and is managed by another former Chilean IRL legend in Eliseo Salazer, probably didn't hurt his chances. But, I am sure there are good reasons why AJ picked the driver from his SC team, that didn't win. I mean, we all hear that "IRL owners all want to win". I am sure, AJ saw something in him, that the results didn't. He saw some of those same qualities in many of his drivers he has chosen over the years. Guys like Marco Greco, Shiggy Hattori and Scotty Mayer, all had untapped talent, just oozing out, that Super Tex tried to bring out. If AJ had been able to do more testing, those drivers may have fulfilled that potential that AJ saw in them.

    Again, thanks to AJ for going back to his roots and scouring the American short-tracks, to find our next hero, and giving him a shot with the big cars. Ted Horn and Tony Hulman would be proud. :tg
    IRL 2009: "Cars you can't see, driven by drivers you have never heard of, on a network you don't get"

    "I'd hire your grandmother, if she brought a budget"- Bankrupt Indy Car team owner Tyler Tadevic, to Curt Cavin in December, on the tough standards he looks for when "hiring" driver talent.

  • #2
    He is destined to become another "see another short track driver was given a shot and couldn't produce" or in the unlikely event that he had success in a Foyt car, he could be the "see the IRL has always strongly promoted short track drivers."
    Some people will do nearly anything in order to be able to not do anything.

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    • #3
      Trump, he's one of the nicest, most decent human beings possibly ever to walk the planet..

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Jimmy Hendricks
        I mean, we all hear that "IRL owners all want to win".
        Not from me. Obviously, Foyt's team needs ridebuyers, or at least the guy with the most optimal cheapness / performance balance.

        Yes, I think they should want to win, and I think Penske, Ganassi, and Andretti have the means to do it. From Rahal on down, I think it's a sliding scale of want to / need to / have to.

        Ironically, the more fledgling, grassroots the team is, the less they can afford to hire fledgling, grassroots talent over drivers with other economic advantages.

        As I have pointed out before, there are just a few rides at the top of the grid that are fully funded, paying positions. On the other hand, there are just a few rides at the back that are purely bought. Most of the others are somewhere in between.

        I think the reason for that is the lack of populrity of the series. I mean, it isn't like Foyt couldn't take the same budget and personnel to any local short track and run there as well. It will take a lot more popularity to drive up the value of talent.

        Yes, you could also try to reduce costs, but I don't think you can reduce them by enough to make a difference without fundamentally changing the appeal of the series in terms of speed and / or safety. I realize Lucky will appeal that , but only subjectively, in theory. There really is no evidence until someone builds it.

        I just figure the same laws of economics that run the universe also apply in motorsport, although I am sure there are strange distortions here and there. Supply and demand, here there, samey same .

        It would seem to be a more appealing and likely strategy to build the popularity up to where it needs to be, rather than to become something else entirely to accomodate the lack of popularity.

        Of course, something else entirely is just what some people want, but that's a different debate. I'm a fan of Indy Car, not something of else that doesn't even exist.

        I'm eager enough for seeing talent become the controlling commodity in Indy Car that I will shamelessly seek to promote and encourage popularity, and oppose efforts and actions that detract from that. I do try to keep it in ethical balance, however

        It's weird and frustrating to think we are having the same old arguments in thread after thread, after all these years, but then again there are still arguments over capitalism and socialism among people smarter then we, too At least we can agree that the choice should always be for paper, not plastic, bags at the supermarket... right??
        "Each day well lived makes every yesterday a dream of happiness and every tomorrow a vision of hope. Look well therefore to this one day for it, and it alone, is life"
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Turn13
          Not from me. Obviously, Foyt's team needs ridebuyers, or at least the guy with the most optimal cheapness / performance balance.

          Yes, I think they should want to win, and I think Penske, Ganassi, and Andretti have the means to do it. From Rahal on down, I think it's a sliding scale of want to / need to / have to.

          Ironically, the more fledgling, grassroots the team is, the less they can afford to hire fledgling, grassroots talent over drivers with other economic advantages.

          As I have pointed out before, there are just a few rides at the top of the grid that are fully funded, paying positions. On the other hand, there are just a few rides at the back that are purely bought. Most of the others are somewhere in between.

          I think the reason for that is the lack of populrity of the series. I mean, it isn't like Foyt couldn't take the same budget and personnel to any local short track and run there as well. It will take a lot more popularity to drive up the value of talent.

          Yes, you could also try to reduce costs, but I don't think you can reduce them by enough to make a difference without fundamentally changing the appeal of the series in terms of speed and / or safety. I realize Lucky will appeal that , but only subjectively, in theory. There really is no evidence until someone builds it.

          I just figure the same laws of economics that run the universe also apply in motorsport, although I am sure there are strange distortions here and there. Supply and demand, here there, samey same .

          It would seem to be a more appealing and likely strategy to build the popularity up to where it needs to be, rather than to become something else entirely to accomodate the lack of popularity.

          Of course, something else entirely is just what some people want, but that's a different debate. I'm a fan of Indy Car, not something of else that doesn't even exist.

          I'm eager enough for seeing talent become the controlling commodity in Indy Car that I will shamelessly seek to promote and encourage popularity, and oppose efforts and actions that detract from that. I do try to keep it in ethical balance, however

          It's weird and frustrating to think we are having the same old arguments in thread after thread, after all these years, but then again there are still arguments over capitalism and socialism among people smarter then we, too At least we can agree that the choice should always be for paper, not plastic, bags at the supermarket... right??
          We may as well be. Speaking only for myself, I have officially given up on the IRL, Indycar and anything that resembles them. If you are right and you might be, then I see nothing in the future that things will get better, except for occasional Danica like bumps (not physically). Gimmicks are the only thing left. Short fields. Unknown drivers. Drivers jumping ship. Teams failing for lack of funds. Technology at a stand still because the league can't afford the technology that's available now. Speed controlled races, spec cars and engines. Management that thinks it knows everything to the point that they ignore fans, teams and promoters because "they know more." To me that's what you guys are stuck with. If you can be happy with that, good for you.

          I'll still come here unless I am run off to give my opinions and make suggestions even though many disagree and probably none are in a position to act on them, particularly me. It would take someone with both the interest and the means to do anything. I have one, but not the other. Some have the money, but not the interest.
          In the mean time, I have a pretty full schedule mapped out watching, dirt late models, sprints and modifieds locally. Because of some scheduling conflicts I won't be able to go to all the races I would like to see even locally, but that just means that there are lots to choose from. I may even take in a CTS or Nationwide race at TMS. It's possible but not likely that I might even show up for the Indycars in June. That's going to depend a great deal on the number of entries. And even a larger field won't insure that I'll be there. As you have suggested I do vote with my feet and since I don't like where the IRL is heading, a one off large field still might not get my vote.
          Some people will do nearly anything in order to be able to not do anything.

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          • #6
            Okay, so how did this kid end up with "backing" when the others on the team, who have evidently won, have not?

            Something's not making sense here. If winning was the only key to the deal, why haven't people stepped up to back the others who have won? What is the defining difference?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Fueler
              If winning was the only key to the deal, why haven't people stepped up to back the others who have won? What is the defining difference?
              To answer the latter question, some drivers approach their career with an overall business attitude while others think a trophy collection alone can help them obtain goals.
              Last edited by JBaiza; 03-01-2008, 02:57 PM.
              "You have not converted a man because you have silenced him."
              -John Morley

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Fueler

                1. Okay, so how did this kid end up with "backing" when the others on the team, who have evidently won, have not?

                2. Something's not making sense here.
                1. Chilean money. Bobby East and Tracy Hines (2 drivers that beat this guy last year in Foyt's equipment) don't have that little advantage. You think AJ would give a crap about this guy if he didn't have it? This guy's last formula car experience was in freakin' Star Mazda 3 years ago. He ran Silver Crown for 2 years on the pavement, and pulled a Danica. Yet, there he is testing with his 2 color shoes at Homestead.

                2. Your damn right it isn't.
                IRL 2009: "Cars you can't see, driven by drivers you have never heard of, on a network you don't get"

                "I'd hire your grandmother, if she brought a budget"- Bankrupt Indy Car team owner Tyler Tadevic, to Curt Cavin in December, on the tough standards he looks for when "hiring" driver talent.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Fueler
                  Something's not making sense here. If winning was the only key to the deal, why haven't people stepped up to back the others who have won?
                  Fueler, that's what we've been saying. In openwheelformulafeederclubcaryachtclubracingworld, winning means jack-squat in terms of guys getting rides.

                  Which may be why openwheelformulafeederclubcaryachtclubracingworld means jack-squat in terms of American racing.
                  "It was actually fun, because you're back fully driving again in these trucks. Ninety percent of the tracks we go to in the IRL, you're flat-out. I was having to lift off the corners some here." - Buddy Rice

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by JBaiza
                    To answer the latter question, some drivers approach their career with an overall business attitude while others think a trophy collection alone can help them obtain goals.


                    Yet, in all other profesional sports we expect newcomers to have proven themselves on the field of play. Heisman, Outland, All American recognition etc are important symbols of excellence and they generally are rewarded with rich contracts.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Jimmy Hendricks
                      1. Chilean money. Bobby East and Tracy Hines (2 drivers that beat this guy last year in Foyt's equipment) don't have that little advantage. You think AJ would give a crap about this guy if he didn't have it? This guy's last formula car experience was in freakin' Star Mazda 3 years ago. He ran Silver Crown for 2 years on the pavement, and pulled a Danica. Yet, there he is testing with his 2 color shoes at Homestead.

                      2. Your damn right it isn't.
                      Bobby East has probably one of the best known (outside of spridgets) names of any young gun looking to move up. His family certainly has some money, and certainly has connections with people with money. Are you telling me that Bobby East couldn't put together $35 - 50,000 and get a test or a one off with some team in IndyCar? Even Hornish did that with PDM.

                      Does anyone know if he's tried to do this? Or even wants to?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Fueler
                        Bobby East has probably one of the best known (outside of spridgets) names of any young gun looking to move up. His family certainly has some money, and certainly has connections with people with money. Are you telling me that Bobby East couldn't put together $35 - 50,000 and get a test or a one off with some team in IndyCar? Even Hornish did that with PDM.

                        Does anyone know if he's tried to do this? Or even wants to?
                        Why should he? He can be paid to race elsewhere.

                        This is what Eddie Gossage was talking about when he referred to the sport needing 'humility.' The arrogance of formulaopenwheel is that they believe that the sport is so great that drivers should pay a tribute - like a country club initiation fee - to even gain a foothold, while NASCAR seeks out talent and pays for it.

                        And this will hold openwheel back until it changes.
                        "It was actually fun, because you're back fully driving again in these trucks. Ninety percent of the tracks we go to in the IRL, you're flat-out. I was having to lift off the corners some here." - Buddy Rice

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                        • #13
                          Bobby East was offered a test in a very, very good IndyCar for free and he and his dad said no....................He had a chance to be hired and PAID..............and he and his dad said no..............
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Fueler
                            Bobby East has probably one of the best known (outside of spridgets) names of any young gun looking to move up. His family certainly has some money, and certainly has connections with people with money. Are you telling me that Bobby East couldn't put together $35 - 50,000 and get a test or a one off with some team in IndyCar? Even Hornish did that with PDM.

                            Does anyone know if he's tried to do this? Or even wants to?
                            He could do that. Most good US oval guys could find the money to do that.

                            But, what does that prove? That a guy can stand on the gas and pass a useless IRL oval test?

                            Sarah said it costs a million bucks to put together a Indy one-off ride now (and she certainly ought to know now). That's money, that the Dave Steele's or Tracy Hines's of USAC don't have burning a hole in their pockets. Now, Jon Herb and his billionaire family money or Milka Duno, and her hubby's CITGO money can find that kind of cash. They have no talent, but since they can give the check to the owner, that is ALL that matters. If those type of drivers actually have any talent, its just plain luck.

                            This guy is testing Foyt's car, because he has a hell of a lot more than 35 grand in his pocket to give to AJ. Hence, the possible IRL ride, despite never winning in a Foyt car last year.

                            And, I am sure he will bring tons of fans to the track. I know a very knowledgable poster here (in the racing business) that had never even heard of the guy. Sounds like he'll fit in well in this sport.
                            IRL 2009: "Cars you can't see, driven by drivers you have never heard of, on a network you don't get"

                            "I'd hire your grandmother, if she brought a budget"- Bankrupt Indy Car team owner Tyler Tadevic, to Curt Cavin in December, on the tough standards he looks for when "hiring" driver talent.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by dog-ring
                              Bobby East was offered a test in a very, very good IndyCar for free and he and his dad said no....................He had a chance to be hired and PAID..............and he and his dad said no..............
                              ...and it's not as if he was an isolated case, several other drivers over the years were offered decent rides including a paycheck who for whatever declined.
                              ​a bad day at the race track beats a good day at work

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