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  • Phillips weighs in on Mergermania

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    Champ Car co-owner Kevin Kalkhoven and Indy Racing League founder Tony George appear to still be on speaking terms despite the skeletons loosed from the open-wheel racing closet by leaks about their dialogue. That’s good news for anyone who cares a lick about American open-wheel racing. The bad news is that characterizing their discussions as “merger talks” is a tad premature. By most accounts, Messrs. George and Kalkhoven get on tolerably well, if not famously. However, ameliorating the suspicion, enmity and practical differences that have developed between the Champ Car and IRL camps during the decade-long “civil war” is another matter. Walk before you run; foster trust and mutual respect before merging.

    When it comes to those practical differences, the bad news is there is no easy way out of the fact that the Champ Car World Series and the IRL’s IndyCar Series operate under two very different rule books, particularly when it comes to engines. By definition, the CCWS utilizes the 2.65-liter turbocharged V8 Ford Cosworth XFE while the ICS utilizes the 3-liter, normally aspirated V8s of which Honda (with its HI6R Indy V8) is now the sole supplier. Published figures put the XFE’s output at 750 hp, compared to the HI6R’s “650+” hp.

    From square one, then, a simple “merger” of the two series is problematic.

    As matters stand, the rules afford the XFE a significant edge on the HI6R. Barring equivalency formulas (which nobody wants), the Champ Car teams (and/or the IRL teams switching to Cosworth power) would enjoy an unfair advantage, the last thing the sport would need in the delicate first stages of reunification. Nor can Honda be expected to voluntarily serve as a second class “field-filler” for the greater glory of American open-wheel racing.

    However all is not lost on the engine front. The good news is that both manufacturers are intimately familiar with the “competing” engine technologies. Honda, of course, competed in the Championship Auto Racing Teams-sanctioned CCWS with 2.65-liter turbo V8s from ’93 through ’02, while Cosworth developed a 3.5-liter normally aspirated V8 which made its way into the ’03 ICS badged as the Chevrolet Gen IV (and which was subsequently downsized to 3 liters in accordance with the series’ mid-’05 rules change).

    So why not just flip a coin to decide on the engine rules? Heads, Honda dusts off its blueprints for the HR-2 last used in ’02, retools and runs off a batch of three dozen for the ’07 season. Tails, Cosworth follows more or less the same route with the “Gen IV” and everyone lives happily ever after.

    The bad news is that it’s not nearly so simple. For openers, Honda and Cosworth (which, by the way, is co-owned by Kalkhoven and Champ Car partner Gerald Forsythe) have invested millions in their current engines. Neither can be expected to cavalierly write-off their high tech boat anchors.

    Nor can Honda or Cosworth start building new “old” engines for a unified series at the drop of a hat. Recall that the HR-2 was designed during the cost-is-no-object engine war with Ford Cosworth and, more significantly, bitter rival Toyota. Times and technology have changed. Toyota is focused on NASCAR and Cosworth has four more years of experience with turbo V8s, particularly in the areas of durability and uniformity dictated by Champ Car’s spec engine rules; rules which are sure to be applied in some fashion to a unified series.

    Likewise, Honda has a decided technological edge when it comes to 3-liter, normally aspirated V8s. Not only did Honda trounce the Cosworth/Chevy in ’04 and ’05, but Honda has progressed still further along the learning curve in preparing to supply the full ICS field in ’06. As with Cosworth and the XFE, rather than more power, much of Honda’s new-found knowledge relates to the reliability and consistency which – to reiterate – will be central to the engine rules of a unified series.

    And there’s more bad news for anyone imagining a seamless switch from Ford Cosworth XFE to Ford Cosworth “Gen IV” power in a merger of the two series. As part of its pact with Chevrolet, Cosworth transferred the intellectual properties associated with its engine to the Bow Tie folks in ’03, and would surely face substantial legal challenges were it to unilaterally ramp up a new run of Gen IV-based engines for a unified series.

    Don’t despair. There’s good news in all of this, namely, that Honda, Ford and Cosworth have – each in their own way – staunchly supported American open-wheel racing through thick, thin and thinner. Ford, you may recall, might well have killed the IRL before it ever got off the ground by refusing to honor its lease contracts (contracts designed for CART’s CCWS) with teams that “jumped” to the new series in ’96. But Ford continued leasing engines to IRL teams in the hopes of serving as an intermediary to bring the IRL and CART back together. And when Honda and Toyota went to the IRL, Cosworth threw the CCWS a lifeline in the form of the spec XFE, which Ford subsequently supported both by badging the engine and joining Bridgestone as a sponsor of the CCWS.

    For its part, Honda was an outspoken supporter of the CCWS throughout the late ’90s into Y2K, ’01 and ’02 before – in its eyes and those of most observers – CART sold it down the river in a clumsy attempt to keep Toyota in the series. Since moving to the IRL, Honda has supported the ICS to the tune of millions in technical development and “collateral” marketing support and, of course, threw the IRL a Cosworth-like lifeline in ’06 by deciding to supply the full ICS field in the wake of the pull-out by Toyota and Chevrolet.

    What’s more, even in the most contentious days of the CCWS engine wars, Honda and Ford/Cosworth retained a respect for one another’s integrity and – dare I mention the word – “sportsmanship.” The real hard feelings, as anyone who spent time in the CCWS paddock at the turn of the century knows, were between Honda and Toyota. Neither Honda nor Ford nor Cosworth race to lose, of course. But it was the Honda vs. Toyota dynamic that proved to be the catalyst for the nightmarish escalation in costs that, ultimately, proved ruinous to CART and the CCWS between ’96 and ’02.

    The good news, then, is that Honda and Ford/Cosworth can compete with one another in a spirit of sportsmanship. What’s more, Robert Clarke, president of Honda Performance Development, Dan Davis, director of Ford Racing Technology, and Forsythe are intelligent men who know from experience that the CART (and, for that matter, IRL circa ’03-’05) model of scorched earth competition between manufacturers is unsustainable, particularly in an arena viewed as irrelevant by a large segment of the American populace. Equally importantly, however, like George and Kalkhoven, they know all too well the Champ Car vs. Indy Racing League model has done much to destroy American open-wheel racing.

    Thus while developing a common engine formula for a unified series of American open-wheel racing series presents a formidable, even monumental, hurdle, that hurdle need not be insurmountable. Particularly when honorable and competitive companies and those who guide them have so much to gain – or lose – in the process.
    Speed

  • #2
    Great article ..

    Looking even more forward, to hearing the usual suspects meltdown over this one.
    If CD’s were spun in the opposite direction, would it say everything backwards?

    "Fun is where it's at. That's why you have to be there!"

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    • #3
      no comment needed.. again CCWS doesnt bring much to the table.. i would let them circle the drain then pick up the pieces..
      "Paff has been closer to the mark than anyone will give him credit for."

      Richard Kimble 11/18/2010

      "Paff is far more right than any of you will EVER give him credit for.

      As non politically correct and un IndyCar friendly as it is, it's the truth. "

      SeeuInMay 12/29/2010

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      • #4
        Good piece with lots of new information.

        Odd Phillips didn't mention the possibility that Honda would just walk away, or be asked to walk away in a unified series.

        Running compatable engines is problematic for the reasons he states

        Neither series want direct manufacturer funding of teams. Two suppliers tempts that.

        Neither series would want some sort of equivilancy formula

        KK did not by Cosworth to not use it.

        That would seem to leave Honda out, or at least raise the possibility

        Yes their are contract through 09 and all that but that doesn't matter if no one wants to honor them.

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        • #5
          I don't see Honda being left out of any merger scenario. They've been one of the driving forces toward that effort. In fact, I believe that when Honda became the sole supplier to the IRL it put them in a unique position - one that gives them tremendous influence over the IRL and the sport as a whole. I doubt they would paint themselves into a corner or out of the house altogether.
          "I would really like to go to NASCAR. I really enjoy NASCAR and if I could be there in a couple of years that's where I'd want to be." - Jeff Gordon (after testing a Formula Super Vee)

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          • #6
            ^^ And they shouldn't have to either. Like Phillips said, there's no bloodfued between Ford and Honda. Sure they'll want to beat each other, but knowing their situations they'd be more willing to have a cease-fire forced on them for the good of the series than if it were Honda and Toyota as competing suppliers.
            - Make a note of the word 'Gobbly-gook'. I like it and I want to use it more often in conversation.
            --Yes, sir.

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            • #7
              This is a great article, but it addresses only one of the issues that makes a merger impossible as it is conceived by fans and the media. The engine issue is only one of the technical issues that would need to be addressed and the technical issues are the easy ones to take care of. The business and legal issues are the ones that are certain to kill any merger of the existing series. Dropping any of the ISC oval races will almost certainly result in a lawsuit/lockout against the IRL, San Jose would want their $4M back when they found out that they weren't on the new schedule, etc. The only way to achieve one series is for one or both of the existing series to die and start over with a fresh new series not tied to any contracts, agreements or prior actions.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Andrew Longman
                Good piece with lots of new information.

                Odd Phillips didn't mention the possibility that Honda would just walk away, or be asked to walk away in a unified series.

                Running compatable engines is problematic for the reasons he states

                Neither series want direct manufacturer funding of teams. Two suppliers tempts that.

                Neither series would want some sort of equivilancy formula

                KK did not by Cosworth to not use it.

                That would seem to leave Honda out, or at least raise the possibility

                Yes their are contract through 09 and all that but that doesn't matter if no one wants to honor them.
                What? The IRL has a contract with Honda. You are suggesting that a merged series dump that deal so that they could use 5 year old Cosworths because KK bought the company in desperation? And this would be a good deal because Honda would take all their nasty money away? Words fail me....

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                • #9
                  What if Honda badged the Cosworths....

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                  • #10
                    They belong to Chevy. Rumor has it that Chip and Toyota tried to work out a deal for '06 for these engines and were turned down.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Scott
                      The only way to achieve one series is for one or both of the existing series to die and start over with a fresh new series not tied to any contracts, agreements or prior actions.
                      Then I vote for both.
                      Tony Johns
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                      "DON'T THINK TRITE!" - The Unions (Miss ya, Earl.)

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                      • #12
                        Originally Posted by Scott
                        "The only way to achieve one series is for one or both of the existing series to die and start over with a fresh new series not tied to any contracts, agreements or prior actions."

                        Preferably with aluminum block pushrod engines up front and kinda off to the side.
                        REAL race cars have kingpins. :p

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jim Wilke
                          Rumor has it
                          anything to back that up?

                          "Rumor has it" doesnt work anymore ...
                          If CD’s were spun in the opposite direction, would it say everything backwards?

                          "Fun is where it's at. That's why you have to be there!"

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by dirtfan
                            Originally Posted by Scott
                            "The only way to achieve one series is for one or both of the existing series to die and start over with a fresh new series not tied to any contracts, agreements or prior actions."

                            Preferably with aluminum block pushrod engines up front and kinda off to the side.
                            Oh what the heck, make'm all front wheel drive too. Shoot, most of 'em rice burners is front drive anywho...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Spike
                              I don't see Honda being left out of any merger scenario. They've been one of the driving forces toward that effort. In fact, I believe that when Honda became the sole supplier to the IRL it put them in a unique position - one that gives them tremendous influence over the IRL and the sport as a whole. I doubt they would paint themselves into a corner or out of the house altogether.
                              You would think, but given the technical challenges, and the fact that KK and TG can agree to anything they like, it does seem that it should be considered as a possibility, even if an unlikely one. It certainly is the tidiest solution.

                              FWIW, I would like to see Honda stick around. It adds interest and they are a very dear client of mine. I have great respect for the organization even if they are unpopular with some fans.

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