The End of the Split

[BrentJackson]

Look, we all know the crap that's happening right now, why don't we look to try and find solutions instead of fight?

Here's mine. Discuss at will.

Control/Ownership

30% Tony George
15% Kevin Kalkhoven
15% Gerry Forsythe
20% Donald Panoz
20% Roger Penske

Independent Operator runs the series, person who has no financial interest in either side of the split. My pick is Mario Andretti.

Technical Regulations

2007 Champ Car rules are the basis of the technical rules, though the engines are totally different. They are based off of Formula 1 2.4L engine blocks. Twin turbocharged with roughly 55 inches of boost, shooting for circa 900 horsepower. Chassis from Lola, Panoz and Dallara, engines from Honda, Cosworth (badged as Ford) and Ilmor (badged as Dodge or Mercedes-Benz). Engine leasing is not allowed, period. Engines can be bought assembled or as kits and built by independent builders, and must be offered in both forms to all teams.

Schedule

March 4 - Motorola Miami Indy 400
Homestead-Miami Speedway, Homestead, FL
1.5-mile superspeedway

March 16 - Mobil 1 Sebring Indycar Grand Prix
Sebring International Raceway, Sebring, FL
3.37-mile road course

April 1 - Visteon Atlanta Indy
Road Atlanta, Braselton, GA
2.54-mile road course

April 8 - Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach
Long Beach Grand Prix Circuit, Long Beach, CA
1.97-mile street circuit

April 22 - [b]ABC Supply St. Louis 300
Gateway International Raceway, Madison, IL
1.25-mile oval

May 6 - [b]Coors Light Grand Prix of Detroit
The Raceway on Belle Isle, Detroit, MI
2.36-mile street circuit

May 27 - Indianapolis 500
Indianapolis Motor Speedway, Speedway, IN
2.5-mile superspeedway

June 2 - Racer Magazine Road Runner Milwalkee 300
Milwalkee Mile, West Allis, WI
1.0-mile oval

June 10 - [b]ESPN Marconi Grand Prix of Cleveland
Burke Lakefront Airport, Cleveland, OH
2.11-mile airport circuit

June 24 - Toronto Molson Indy
Exhibition Place, Toronto, ON, Canada
1.72-mile street circuit

July 4 - Conrail Quality Independence Day Grand Prix of Philadelphia
Ben Franklin Parkway, Philadelphia, PA
1.94-mile street circuit

July 15 - Ford Racing Michigan 500
Michigan International Speedway, Brooklyn, MI
2.0-mile superspeedway

July 22 - Big Rock Indycar Grand Prix of Edmonton
Finning International Speedway, Edmonton, AB, Canada
1.97-mile airport circuit

August 5th - Budweiser GI Joes Rose City Grand Prix
Portland International Raceway, Portland, OR
1.92-mile road course

August 19th - Red Bull Grand Prix of Road America
Road America, Elkhart Lake, WI
4.0-mile road course

August 26th - Honda Grand Prix of Mid-Ohio
Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, Lexington, OH
2.25-mile road course

September 9 - Halfords Rockingham 400
Rockingham Motor Speedway, Corby, Great Britain
1.48-mile oval

September 16 - DHL Eurospeedway 500
Eurospeedway Lausitz, Lausitz, Germany
2.02-mile superspeedway

September 30 - Sony Playstation Motegi Indy 400
Twin Ring Motegi, Motegi-cho, Tochigi, Japan
1.55-mile superspeedway

October 7 - [b]Boeing New Frontiers Grand Prix of Seattle
Seattle Downtown, Seattle, WA
2.15-mile street circuit

October 14 - The Times Los Angeles 500
California Speedway, Fontana, CA
2.0-mile superspeedway

October 28 - Lexmark Australia Indy 300
Surfers Paradise Grand Prix Circuit, Southport, Queensland, Australia
2.8-mile street circuit

November 11 - Tecate Telmex Gran Premio de Mexico City
Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez, Mexico City, Mexico
2.79-mile road course

November 18 - Cesear's Palace Las Vegas 500
Las Vegas Motor Speedway, Las Vegas, NV
1.5-mile superspeedway

November 24 - Rockstar Grand Prix of Houston
Reliant Astrodome Circuit, Houston, TX
1.95-mile street circuit

[OWNUT]

Brent did you get banned from another board.

[ChampCar#3]

Brent......I think you forgot to put the decimal in front of TG's percentage!

[Doc Austin]

Brent did you get banned from another board.

What does that have to do with anything?

[Richard Kimble]

Brent......I think you forgot to put the decimal in front of TG's percentage!

Both series are doomed with this attitude.I have been a vociferous CC hater,but I have seen the light.We need a merger.Period.

[Jim Wilke]

30% Tony George

Never fly. Tony will never settle for less than 51% and, IMHO, he shouldn't.

[Vasserfan]

Brent did you get banned from another board.

Hey, some pretty good folks have been "banned" from there. (See my sig)



What's your point?

[Vasserfan]

Both series are doomed with this attitude.I have been a vociferous CC hater,but I have seen the light.We need a merger.Period.

Don't know that both are doomed, but neither will be a major force in the sports world until there is a merger. We need a merger.

[Richard Kimble]

Don't know that both are doomed, but neither will be a major force in the sports world until there is a merger. We need a merger.

Even at its zenith,CART made a meager profit.I don't see getting to that point again,ever,so the management will have to be pretty comfortable with multi-million dollar losses for years to come.

I don't see anyone willing to fund a loser for so long,and for so little return.

Doomed.

[mesquite]

Why would Panoz get any % ? Is it because of Sebring and Atlanta ??

I imagine Penske gets a % because of Ilmor. If so, then his % should be half of what KK and GF get?

Either way, both of theirs should be less than each of KK and GF's %.

[RedRock]

I'm sick of the whole unification/merger thing....I only see one person who can run a combined series that everyone could get behind: Roger Penske

[tcsparky]

I'm sick of the whole unification/merger thing....I only see one person who can run a combined series that everyone could get behind: Roger Penske

I agree Roger could do it, but I don't think he would. Roger could get GM turned around. But he won't do that either.

[dreamracer]

Never fly. Tony will never settle for less than 51% and, IMHO, he shouldn't.

The problem with that line of reasoning is that 51% of nothin' is just that.

Nothin.

That's where the whole thing has been headed for years. It's like trying to cut a steak with a spoon. You can do it, but it's more work than necessary and most regular folks will likely lose interest in trying after thier steak is cold and dry.

The Open Wheel steak is cold and dry.

We do need a consolidation, merger, conjoining, etc. Whatever you wanna call it. One series.

[mattndallas]

Brent's schedule is too non-oval oriented to me. Dropping Chicago, Kentucky, Kansas, Texas, and Richmond for mythical street courses and European ovals that have already failed doesn't make sense. The ovals that were dropped were the ones that consistently pull the IRL's best crowds.

[jonovision_man]

Both series are doomed with this attitude.I have been a vociferous CC hater,but I have seen the light.We need a merger.Period.

Richard - we agree.

I think the "waiting for IRL to die" days are long gone, as are the "waiting for Champ Car to die" days. With KK and TG in it for the long term, we're stuck with a merger or divided mediocrity.

I'm sure we have many many differences on how to get the thing put back together... so I'll stop typing now while we're still agreeing.
jono