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  • Aguri to run old Arrows cars?

    Maybe. How old are these cars? To put it in perspective, KK and his then-partner Craig Pollock looked at buying the team before they passed and set up (different)PK(noV)Racing and KK got involved in OWRS:

    From Reuters via Atlas:

    The Japanese Super Aguri team seeking to enter Formula One with Honda engines next year is negotiating to buy four-year-old Arrows cars from former Minardi boss Paul Stoddart.

    "We are negotiating with them, it's the only thing that makes sense given the time scale that they have got," the Australian told Reuters on Wednesday.

    "It (running the Arrows cars) is something that is very, very do-able and the car would be able to run in Bahrain," added Stoddart.

    "Any other option is either against the Concorde Agreement or very difficult to achieve."

    Stoddart bought five Arrows A23 cars and most of that team's equipment in 2003 when his now-defunct rivals folded. Although he has since sold Minardi to Red Bull, he kept the Arrows chassis and intellectual property rights.

    The cars were designed mostly by Mike Coughlan, who is now at McLaren.

    Super Aguri, run by Japan's former Formula One racer Aguri Suzuki, have taken over the old Arrows factory at Leafield in central England and are recruiting staff for what would be Formula One's 11th team.

    They are expected to run Japan's Takuma Sato after he lost his drive at Honda-backed BAR and have made a formal application to enter the 2006 Championship.

    The season starts in Bahrain on March 12.

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    Honda, who bought BAR from founders British American Tobacco this year and will change that British-based team's name for 2006, have agreed to provide Suzuki's team with engines and technical support.

    However, under the confidential 'Concorde Agreement' governing Formula One, teams must compete with their own car and not one designed or manufactured by another existing entrant.

    Minardi toyed with the idea of running the Arrows themselves in 2003 and Stoddart said that the Cosworth-powered cars were already up to that year's specification and it would take little to develop them to 2005 levels.

    "We (Minardi) were running an '02 car up to Imola '05," said the Australian, attending Minardi's final test at Italy's Vallelunga circuit near Rome. "We didn't change an awful lot on it in that period."

  • #2
    It doesn't make sense

    Why would he want to buy those old tubs? They weren't even close to running up the front.

    Arrows was one of the most disappointing teams to ever run in Formula 1. No wins, a pole (by Patrese at Long Beach), and a couple of second places--most notably by Damon Hill.

    My guess is he wants to save money. But he won't win that way.

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    • #3
      It's a quick and (in a relative sense) cheap way to get a team up and running in a matter of months. There isn't enough time to design and build new cars and you can't buy used cars from existing teams. As for winning, no one expects this team to be contenders anytime soon.
      "I would really like to go to NASCAR. I really enjoy NASCAR and if I could be there in a couple of years that's where I'd want to be." - Jeff Gordon (after testing a Formula Super Vee)

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      • #4
        I don't think the idea is to win. The idea is to get on the grid and get locked in with more votes during the big power struggle. This gives Honda 2 teams of 12 and they will be supplying engines to Red Bull so there's 2 more.

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        • #5
          Well I'll bet they are 6 seconds off the pace..................
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          • #6
            Oh well, it's not like they have to worry about not making the race.
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            • #7
              Well my hat's off to them then. I think Aguri Suzuki will be the first Asian owner of a race team since Teddy Yip's Theodore outfit of the late 70s early 80s.

              Wonder whatever happened to the happy man from Hong Kong?

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              • #8
                Umm, who owns the Toyota team and BAR? Aren't they Asian?

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                • #9
                  Super Aguri must be desperate to just get on the grid. I guess they're shooting to break the record for number of blue flags received during a race.
                  "Being second is to be the first of the ones who lose." --- Ayrton Senna

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                  • #10
                    What a complete joke! Why would anyone waste their money and time on a 4 year old chassis that was the crap of the heap to begin with.

                    I've seen monkeys on rollwe skates who can make better business decisions.
                    Some people are like a Slinky .... Not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile
                    when you shove them down the stairs.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Jim Wilke
                      I don't think the idea is to win. The idea is to get on the grid and get locked in with more votes during the big power struggle. This gives Honda 2 teams of 12 and they will be supplying engines to Red Bull so there's 2 more.
                      Yeah - who cares about the racing...
                      Some people are like a Slinky .... Not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile
                      when you shove them down the stairs.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by aportinga
                        What a complete joke! Why would anyone waste their money and time on a 4 year old chassis that was the crap of the heap to begin with.

                        I've seen monkeys on rollwe skates who can make better business decisions.
                        Considering that a 4-year-old Ferrari would be getting lapped today, an Arrows would probably finish behind one of those ugly A1 cars.
                        "Being second is to be the first of the ones who lose." --- Ayrton Senna

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                        • #13
                          Yeah... I think an IRL car may beat that POS.
                          Some people are like a Slinky .... Not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile
                          when you shove them down the stairs.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by aportinga
                            Yeah - who cares about the racing...
                            Way to go, FIA. Far better to run 4 or 5 year old cars that weren't competitive then instead of last year's BARs with a nice new paint job and new aero bits.

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                            • #15
                              Has the percentage of the pole sitters time rule gone by the wayside in F1?
                              I wish I knew - Dennis "Cutty" Wise

                              When its game time, it's pain time! - Terrible Terry Tate

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