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  • Deadline in Toronto..........

    today's the day we find out how much OWRS paid for Toronto........you'd think Robin Miller would be ALL OVER THIS, instead of fabricating INDY Car stories.........
    the man in expensive shoes

  • #2
    Who cares?
    Trump, he's one of the nicest, most decent human beings possibly ever to walk the planet..

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Indyknut
      Who cares?
      so you've accepted CCWS losing Tornoto?
      the man in expensive shoes

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      • #4
        CCWS will lose Toronto the day TG gets Long Beach.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by chicanery
          CCWS will lose Toronto the day TG gets Long Beach.
          They'll grasp at any straw regardless of how weak.
          Trump, he's one of the nicest, most decent human beings possibly ever to walk the planet..

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          • #6
            Originally posted by numrounofan
            today's the day we find out how much OWRS paid for Toronto........you'd think Robin Miller would be ALL OVER THIS, instead of fabricating INDY Car stories.........

            Oh.. Robin is a GREAT source of information about CC.

            How he gets that information is trashing the IRL. KK & co like the trashing so they let him inside there world. To get that access all you need to do is publicly trash the IRL and TG.
            "If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." - Mark Twain

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            • #7
              If Robin Miller didn't talk about the IRL who would? if KK really does pay him, he should tell him not to mention the IRL at all.

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              • #8
                The connection between what ChampCars editorial writers and the owners of the actual series is one people here like to stretch to equal conspiracy levels...

                ... ignoring the fact that those very editorial writers openly question ChampCar like in this article: http://www.champcarworldseries.com/N...le.asp?ID=9799

                Woops. I know that doesnt really 'jive' with the whole "ChampCar pays them so they write ChampCar positive / IRL slam articles" stuff some want to believe, but facts tend to do that with agendas, from time to time.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cygni
                  http://www.champcarworldseries.com/N...le.asp?ID=9799

                  Woops. I know that doesnt really 'jive' with the whole "ChampCar pays them so they write ChampCar positive / IRL slam articles" stuff some want to believe, but facts tend to do that with agendas, from time to time.
                  Good point, Cygni. That's quite a scathing read on KK, GF and PG. After 3 paragraphs that point out all of the great moves of the aforementioned subjects, Phillips made the following 3 "negative" statements about the ownership group (I could not find any other Amigo-judging comments in this article):

                  However, there is one investment made by Forsythe and Kalkhoven that has yet to offer much in the way of a return: Ryan Hunter-Reay.
                  Rather than lose a proven American driver to the rival IRL, Forsythe and Kalkhoven signed RHR to a personal services contract, although just which Champ Car team he would drive for in '05 remained to be seen.
                  Here's hoping Kalkhoven and Forsythe will do the right thing and give RHR a chance to succeed.
                  That's some heavy stuff, there.
                  "The face of a child can say it all. Especially the mouth part of the face" - Jack Handey

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                  • #10
                    Not the point. The point is that it is clearly not the opinion of ChampCar's management... the name is even "Do the right thing". Hello?

                    Btw, nice selective quoting. How about the bottom half of the article?

                    Here's hoping Kalkhoven and Forsythe will do the right thing and give RHR a chance to succeed (again) in '06. While RHR must shoulder his fair share of the responsibility for his forgettable season just past, there were other variables that contributed to the lack of performance after he left HVM, an organization that was on the verge of joining the ranks of the Champ Car elite before its financial troubles intervened.

                    As a practical matter, RHR is too valuable to the Champ Car World Series to allow to wither on the vine. It remains to be seen whether or not Jimmy Vasser will retire, but should JV hang up his driving boots, RHR will be the series' only active American driver with a win to his name. Allmendinger must surely break his duck sooner than later, of course, and McDowell had an encouraging debut at Surfers Paradise. But without sounding overly xenophobic, Champ Car needs all the good American drivers it can find.

                    That means seeing to it that RHR drives for a team, in a car that can win in '06. Not only is it the right thing to do for Ryan Hunter-Reay, it's the right thing to do for the Champ Car World Series.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cygni
                      Not the point. The point is that it is clearly not the opinion of ChampCar's management... the name is even "Do the right thing". Hello?

                      Btw, nice selective quoting. How about the bottom half of the article?
                      I snipped out all of that fluff that is now in the middle of your quote, which was not making comment on the ownership group. It was Dave's reasoning on why RHR should deserves a Champ Car ride. My point being, he did not take champ car management to task, other than saying, a couple of times, it's the right thing to help RHR in his quest.

                      Also, while he may have been booted a couple of weeks ago, I'm not convinced that the CCWS jury has issued it's final verdict on RHR.
                      "The face of a child can say it all. Especially the mouth part of the face" - Jack Handey

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                      • #12
                        While I don't quite understand how this morphed into a RHR thread, I think that the CC crew are the ones liable for the RHR problems. I think he was pushed into the Champ cars too early, Jimmy is not really the "Mentor" type of guy that he gets credit for, and RHR has not been in top notch equipment on a regular basis.

                        Now that he has had his baptism under fire, give Ryan a good ride for an entire year with somebody like Mears, Pancho, or Bettenhausen as his mentor and I think the kid will bloom. He has a lot of raw talent, but he needs real help, not just Jimmy saying what line is preferred, or what type of shock package he likes. The kid needs some real time feedback during the races, and somebody to work closely with him during practices. Get him comfortable in competition and work with him to refine his feedback and he'll be a winner.
                        ...Always follow the money

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by irloyal
                          While I don't quite understand how this morphed into a RHR thread, I think that the CC crew are the ones liable for the RHR problems. I think he was pushed into the Champ cars too early, Jimmy is not really the "Mentor" type of guy that he gets credit for, and RHR has not been in top notch equipment on a regular basis.

                          Now that he has had his baptism under fire, give Ryan a good ride for an entire year with somebody like Mears, Pancho, or Bettenhausen as his mentor and I think the kid will bloom. He has a lot of raw talent, but he needs real help, not just Jimmy saying what line is preferred, or what type of shock package he likes. The kid needs some real time feedback during the races, and somebody to work closely with him during practices. Get him comfortable in competition and work with him to refine his feedback and he'll be a winner.
                          Or they could have let free-enterprise run it's course and he would be with Target/Chip Ganassi.

                          Back on topic, I'm thinking RHR WILL be in Toronto in '06........
                          the man in expensive shoes

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by numrounofan
                            Or they could have let free-enterprise run it's course and he would be with Target/Chip Ganassi.

                            Back on topic, I'm thinking RHR WILL be in Toronto in '06........
                            Links?

                            As usual you have none.
                            Trump, he's one of the nicest, most decent human beings possibly ever to walk the planet..

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Indyknut
                              Links?

                              As usual you have none.

                              What part of ''I'm thinking'' don't you understand?
                              ...the spice must flow.....

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