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  • OT: Volkswagen and Honda Both Interested......in NASCAR?

    According to Kyle Petty this week on the PRN radio show NASCAR is talking to both Volkswagen and Honda about getting involved in the Next Generation Cup Car and Engine Program starting in 2021. The engine will reportedly be from a standard block for all manufacturers to develop and will be used in the new chassis starting in '22 or '23.

    I hadn't heard much about the Cup engine block being the same for everyone until I heard it being talked about on the show this week.

    https://autoweek.com/article/monster...ine-less-clear


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    • #3
      There's a forum for this....
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      • #4
        they're talking? So how long before they progress to serious discussions, then substantive talks, more serious discussions and so on and so on?
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        • #5
          So, how many would be interested if IndyCar had stock block and all OEMs had to do was tune it?

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            Hands?
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            • #7
              Fronstretch weighs in
              https://www.frontstretch.com/2019/06...facturer-side/

              That gets us to the potential of a new manufacturer. There are discussions about Honda and Volkswagen both having some interest in joining the sport. The Richard Petty Motorsports-merging-with-Andretti Autosport talk has gone on for months.

              If either or both of these companies join the ranks of the sport, NASCAR should require them to field at least six cars on any given weekend. That is not an undue burden on the companies, and it gives a reasonable amount of input and support into the top level of the sport. With 36 charters in play, there is more than enough room for five manufacturers to field six cars each every race weekend.

              In addition to the top level of the sport, new manufacturers should also be required to help the developmental levels of the sport. Field a respectable number of entries in the Truck and Xfinity ranks while also lending support to the regional series — K&N Pro Series, ARCA and Whelen Modifieds, plus the Whelen All-American Weekly Series. The developmental series are not only where the future stars of the sport currently reside, but they are also where the future fans of the sport are getting their first taste of the competition. Many people take their children to local races to find out if they’re interested in going to see auto racing before making the financial commitment to go to a national event. Supporting those series, either through vehicles or just support monies, will go along way toward ensuring the future viability of the sport.
              That's a bunch to ask of a new manufacturer...spend both the big bucks to join the MENCS, AND develop regional series programs.
              Just a nit...might be rather hard for Honda and Volkswagen to support the truck series...unless they allow Ridgelines and concept Taroks...
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                "The sanctioning body also must determine how ‘spec’ they want the chassis to become. Series officials met with Dallara, the producers of IndyCar’s spec chassis in May during the weekend of the Indianapolis 500, to get a better feel of how that program operates."

                Please NASCAR don't do this. It really isn't racing.


                https://autoweek.com/article/monster...ine-less-clear
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                  join the MENCS
                  That's the most unfortunate acronym in the history of sport.

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                    Originally posted by Lee Roy View Post
                    "The sanctioning body also must determine how ‘spec’ they want the chassis to become. Series officials met with Dallara, the producers of IndyCar’s spec chassis in May during the weekend of the Indianapolis 500, to get a better feel of how that program operates."

                    Please NASCAR don't do this. It really isn't racing.


                    https://autoweek.com/article/monster...ine-less-clear
                    Realistically, the NASCAR rules are so tight the chassis are all but spec now. The difference would be largely a common fabricator/manufacturer for the spec, uh common, parts vs the teams manufacturing them. A significant change would be the teams' capability to 'tweak' those parts they make without going afoul of the rules.
                    Every chassis built has to go to a NASCAR certification facility for measurement before the teams hang bodywork.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Jakester View Post

                      Realistically, the NASCAR rules are so tight the chassis are all but spec now. The difference would be largely a common fabricator/manufacturer for the spec, uh common, parts vs the teams manufacturing them. A significant change would be the teams' capability to 'tweak' those parts they make without going afoul of the rules.
                      Every chassis built has to go to a NASCAR certification facility for measurement before the teams hang bodywork.
                      But the teams are allowed to build the chasis and body. Rules might be tight, but apparently there is enough "wiggle" to make it worthwhile for the teams (or many of them) to build their own cars, and some to even build their own engines. When they all buy their cars from a single manufacturer, and are required to get their engines from a manufacturer that does not allow them to touch the engines, I'm through. It's no longer racing to me. That's why I completely ignore the Truck series now since they went to a "crate" engine, even if it isn't mandated to be used.

                      If the cars were "Spec", then a "provider" would materialize in the Charlotte area that would be building all of the cars for the teams and the teams would be saving a lot of money. The current rules may be tight, but at this time, they are still "rules". That is not Spec. Dallara providing the same carbon copy car year after year is "Spec".

                      Remember this. NASCAR still has the same number of engine providers as Formula One (even if ECR and Hendrick both provide Chevy engines).
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                        As good a place as any thread to post this...
                        NASCAR is getting very good at 'newspeak'...
                        First, they aren't 'spec' parts, they're 'common' parts.

                        https://www.jayski.com/2019/07/06/el...-mean-hybrids/

                        And now, they aren't 'hybids', they just have 'electrification'....

                        Two new Phelpisms...
                        "It will be an engine that isn’t hybrid but will have some electrification to it."
                        “It will be an engine that will almost certainly produce 550 horsepower and energy storing electrification, that in some cases, when you’re under braking, will provide more horsepower, which will help the short tracks and road courses.”
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                        • #13
                          When they all buy their cars from a single manufacturer...
                          Like Banjo Matthews in the '70s?
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                            Originally posted by Jakester View Post
                            As good a place as any thread to post this...
                            NASCAR is getting very good at 'newspeak'...
                            First, they aren't 'spec' parts, they're 'common' parts.
                            I believe they are talking about the possibilities in the future, not the present situation, isn't that correct? Plus, there is no indication of how many common parts will be used. Even Formula One, the pinnacle or Auto Racing, has (or has had) some 'common parts'.

                            Like I said, when the NASCAR teams all get their cars from the same place and all they have available are series provided/controlled crate motors, NASCAR will be pretty much dead to me.
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                              Originally posted by KenK View Post

                              Like Banjo Matthews in the '70s?
                              Exactly. But wasn't there another one too? Hutcherson/Pagan I believe? Not that it made it any better.
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