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Taken at the start of the race, from the pits. This to help decide a TJS bet, re. IndyCar/Cart attendance, I caught one, I may need help proving the bet and reeling the CARTisan in, one way or another. Robin Miller doesn't count/can't count.
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Then let a CARTisan make this post. The war has been over for two seasons.
"Ooh woo, I'm a Rebel just for kicks, nowI been feeling it since 1966, now..."
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I guess you missed the...
Besides, "the war" started in 1996, and ended with the first US 500, nearly 5 months later, it was always about the Indy 500!Comment
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Sorry... I saw the
Just didn't know what it meant.
"Ooh woo, I'm a Rebel just for kicks, nowI been feeling it since 1966, now..."
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IRL 2003:
IRL 2002:
CART 2002:
CART 1999:
I dont know what the bet is, nor do I really want to know, as it is probably a view we dont share ... but here is a collection of photos, from kinda the same angle (best i can find). It seems openwheel motorsports photographers have become good a shooting away from the stands, which makes finding good crowd shots difficult. But heres some for you anyway, Mackie.
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judging purely by those 4 photos (which may be decieving) It would appear that it goes CART 99 (by a long way), CART 2002, IRL 2003, IRL 2002.
The CART events had/have better crowds, but the IRL brought an increase from 2002 to 2003.Comment
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CART 2002 and IRL 2003 seem pretty close to me. The big jumps are from those 2 pictures to 1999, and from those to pictures to IRL 2002. Looks like the IRL packed in ALOT more fans for this year than last year.Comment
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Mackie has too much spare time
Great race at the track in Fontana, I usually do not watch the grandstands as they are boring
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There are 2 deeply disturbing things about those photos:
1. the haemorrhaging of fans in recent years;
2. the Ganassi pit crew helmets.
"An emphasis was placed on drivers with road racing backgrounds which meant drivers from open wheel, oval track racing were at a disadvantage. That led Tony George to create the IRL." -Indy Review 1996Comment
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And if you go back and look at the CART race in 1997 the place was packed!
Cart 1997 at California
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...which makes my point that they shouldn't have so scorched the earth even more valid.Supporting Indy Car racing since 1959Comment
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It looks more like there wasn't a need for the irl in the first place. Making people choose between 2 OW series isn't a good idea to begin with.Originally posted by Defender
...which makes my point that they shouldn't have so scorched the earth even more valid.Comment
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Not correct.Originally posted by trac-champ
It looks more like there wasn't a need for the irl in the first place. Making people choose between 2 OW series isn't a good idea to begin with.
Fans didnt have to decide on 1 of 2 OW series. Fans got the frredom of choice in following the oval IRL, or the street/road of CART."OWRS did not return phone calls."Comment
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Really?Originally posted by trac-champ
]It looks more like there wasn't a need for the irl in the first place.
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With the REAL 500 directly against the Indianapolis 500, just who was it that made people choose?Making people choose between 2 OW series isn't a good idea to begin with.Last edited by Doc Austin; 09-23-2003, 08:57 AM."Is that my *** that I smell burning?" ... Helmet Stogie from "Death spasms of the Mabuchi"Comment
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The IRL in 2002 had 3 sections opened up past the press box.Originally posted by Cygni
CART 2002 and IRL 2003 seem pretty close to me. The big jumps are from those 2 pictures to 1999, and from those to pictures to IRL 2002. Looks like the IRL packed in ALOT more fans for this year than last year.
In 2003 the IRL had 4 sections open with about the same density level.
CART in 2002 had at least 8 sections (each section is represented by 2 flagpoles at the top of the stands) with the same density level as the IRL's crowd.
Synopsis: The IRL had a better turn out this year in SoCal. It has a long way to go to be considered an alternative to CART in SoCal. The question is, when will the trends cross? IF never, is the IRL wasting its time on a market that is not going to embrace it?Comment
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