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  • NASCAR vs. Bruton

    Interesting column....wonder what will happen with Loudon in the future...

    Vegas, baby!

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    Hmmm... I bet Tony George could try to arrange Smith getting an ICS race.
    --Paul Dalbey
    (the poster formerly known as 'pdalbey')

    Different men, from vastly different backgrounds, focused on the same goal – a white line painted on a yard of brick 500 miles ahead.

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    • #3
      Unless its the ISC, NASCAR doesnt care. If they are that greedy with tracks that are making them money, imagine what they think of a competing series. I have always said the relationship between NASCAR and ISC is a monopoly.

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      • #4
        "NASCAR vs. Bruton" only exists in the minds of a few wishful thinkers.

        NASCAR and Bruton have made each other lots and lots of money, and both sides know it.
        "It was actually fun, because you're back fully driving again in these trucks. Ninety percent of the tracks we go to in the IRL, you're flat-out. I was having to lift off the corners some here." - Buddy Rice

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        • #5
          LVMS and the City of Las Vegas put the pressure on for a 2nd date every year and why not, I doubt any track gets a better turnout for the Saturday NWS race and the Sunday Cup race, not even Daytona. The reason, hotel rooms and fun. Vegas doesn't gouge the NASCAR fan for room rates. Yes the rates are higher than on weeks when there are no major conventions in town, but no higher than the normal top-draw weeks like NFR, SEMA and the Electronics Equipment Show. Meals are 2nd to none, and reasonable. Fun is where you find it, and you don't have to look hard or pay a lot unless you wish to misbehave.


          I support a 2nd date for LVMS and also suggest it is a far better idea for them to host the banquet than NYC. I also think they should fire Powell, hire Fueler to run the joint and sue the company that hacked up the paving job.
          It's always been about the Indy 500!
          I realize I have the right to remain silent, but don't have the ability or enough common sense to do so.:rolleyes:

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          • #6
            The only way Bruton will get a second date in Vegas is to transfer it from New Hampshire, which will likely happen in 2009 or 2010. Brian France has no interest in doing anything to help Vegas or Bruton, since Brian tried very hard to buy the track and lost it to Bruton. Brian and Bruton may have made each other a lot of money, but there is no love lost, and when it comes to Vegas, it's a true standoff.

            I agree that Bruton should send Powell, May, and Motley packing, but as for me running it, been there, done that, and it was a lot more fun to build it.

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            • #7
              I attend the Spring race at Bristol and I will tell everyone that Bruton Smith and his staff know how to give the fans a wonderful weekend. Working with Bruton Smith is a no-beainer and should be at the top on the to do list of any racing series. By the way, Bristol is in two weeks and I am counting the days.

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              • #8
                Didn't I see several sections almost completely empty yesterday? I know they were down low in turn 4, but They must have been 20K short of a sell-out. Not that 2 events being 20K short of a sell-out would be bad, but I'm wondering if the lustre of Vegas is maybe tarninshing a little?
                ...Always follow the money

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by irloyal
                  Didn't I see several sections almost completely empty yesterday? I know they were down low in turn 4, but They must have been 20K short of a sell-out. Not that 2 events being 20K short of a sell-out would be bad, but I'm wondering if the lustre of Vegas is maybe tarninshing a little?
                  LVMS yanked out the first 10 rows in turn 3 and 4 when they repaved the track, pissed off a lotta folks who had single day cheap seats there. The majority ofseats at Vegas are only sold as 3 day weekend ticket packages which is why they have a good Saturday crowd. Ticket demand wasn't high enough this year to put up the temporary seats outside of turn 3. If Vegas gets a 2nd date it will hurt the Spring date attendance a lot. The weather is generally good but it was cool and windy yesterday. Given a choice, more people would attend the Fall race but if Vegas forces people to spend big bucks on weekend tickets then it may have trouble selling out two races.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by irloyal
                    Didn't I see several sections almost completely empty yesterday? I know they were down low in turn 4, but They must have been 20K short of a sell-out. Not that 2 events being 20K short of a sell-out would be bad, but I'm wondering if the lustre of Vegas is maybe tarninshing a little?
                    There were over 28,000 seats unsold at LVMS yesterday, after the reduction in seats last year. The track's positioning is that all those seats were sold to "ticket brokers" and that nthey had not resold them, but 30 minutes into the race yesterday you could buy tickets at the ticket windows.

                    I think the lustre is off the entire NASCAR phenomenon, not just Las Vegas. I doubt you'll see many sell outs this season, and I think more tracks will be painting their seats in the digital pattern that looks like people on TV.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Fueler
                      There were over 28,000 seats unsold at LVMS yesterday, after the reduction in seats last year. The track's positioning is that all those seats were sold to "ticket brokers" and that nthey had not resold them, but 30 minutes into the race yesterday you could buy tickets at the ticket windows.

                      I think the lustre is off the entire NASCAR phenomenon, not just Las Vegas. I doubt you'll see many sell outs this season, and I think more tracks will be painting their seats in the digital pattern that looks like people on TV.
                      Wow listening on the radio the phrase "sellout crowd" was used an aweful lot..... But PRN is owned by Bruton...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Racingphotoguy
                        Wow listening on the radio the phrase "sellout crowd" was used an aweful lot..... But PRN is owned by Bruton...
                        It might have been a sellout but there was a bunch of bare aluminum out the yesterday.
                        You should avoid making yourself too clear even in your explanations -

                        Baltasar Gracian, Spanish philosopher

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                        • #13
                          Great race
                          Great crowd
                          Great city

                          I had some of the first offered season seats the first year to support the IRL and the new track
                          top row behind the s/f line
                          When BS and NASCAR came along I was notified that the seats were reassigned to a different far less desireable area and the price increased and was not even given the option of paying more to keep them
                          Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Fueler
                            There were over 28,000 seats unsold at LVMS yesterday, after the reduction in seats last year. The track's positioning is that all those seats were sold to "ticket brokers" and that nthey had not resold them, but 30 minutes into the race yesterday you could buy tickets at the ticket windows.

                            I think the lustre is off the entire NASCAR phenomenon, not just Las Vegas. I doubt you'll see many sell outs this season, and I think more tracks will be painting their seats in the digital pattern that looks like people on TV.


                            It appears as if the term "sellout" is now determined to be the day AFTER the track owner begins offering the tickets on stubhub.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by dironstarr
                              Interesting column....wonder what will happen with Loudon in the future...

                              Vegas, baby!
                              Vegas definitely deserves a second race, but I honestly don't think it should be at the expense of Loudon. That track easily supports both races run there and is the only pair of races for an entire region.

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