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    DST theory takes a battering in the last 24 hours

    First, did anyone see 20/20 last night? It was an episode debunking myths about weather and nature.

    Anyway, they spent a whole segment on DST, proving the common theories about the origins and energy savings of DST are complete fiction.

    The only pro-DST information in the piece came from a congressman who offered theories (such as, crime decreases under DST), without a single shred of evidence. In fact, studies show that most home break-ins occur while homeowners are work, according to the International Dark Sky Association (a light pollution fighter with no position on DST) -- a point completely independent of DST.

    Then, in today's Star, golf course owners who supported DST are now lamenting DST. Although evening play is up, coveted morning tee times are down more than enough to offset it. You don't say! Who woulda thunk it?

    Quote:

    "I could not wait for daylight-saving time and I thought that anybody who didn't want it was stupid," said [Denny] Ford, who manages two city-owned golf courses... "I'll tell you, I'd switchback today. We anticipated it bringing a tremendous amount of play and it did not happen."

    Another myth bites the dust!
    No weather forecasts are ever guaranteed, even if confidence level is high. Even a 99% probability will miss 1% of the time. That's the best anybody can do when predicting highly complex events.
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    That can't be right!

    IMHO, most folks who were for it and still are were probably for it because everyone else does it.
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    • #3
      ...I'm in the minority with Ren, I don't like it.
      ​a bad day at the race track beats a good day at work

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      • #4
        Originally posted by BlueStang
        That can't be right!

        IMHO, most folks who were for it and still are were probably for it because everyone else does it.
        Actually, many people simply like to have the daylight shifted to the evening hours.

        The problem with DST is that a.) it was sold as an economic/energy issue, which is a downright lie, and b.) since it was solely an issue of personal preference, the people should have been allowed to vote on it. I think enough people are smart enough to realize the senselessness of DST that it would have been a very close vote.
        No weather forecasts are ever guaranteed, even if confidence level is high. Even a 99% probability will miss 1% of the time. That's the best anybody can do when predicting highly complex events.

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        • #5
          I like DST because now I have the same time differential with everyone in the mainland with the exception of Arizona. Nothing beyond that. It is a practical business issue that has removed one barrier to the daily business grind. It really helps when your business is interstate.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by WheelerDealer
            I like DST because now I have the same time differential with everyone in the mainland with the exception of Arizona. Nothing beyond that. It is a practical business issue that has removed one barrier to the daily business grind. It really helps when your business is interstate.
            So, in other words, you would be okay if the entire country dropped DST?

            Please correct me if I'm wrong. Don't want to put words in anybody's mouth.
            No weather forecasts are ever guaranteed, even if confidence level is high. Even a 99% probability will miss 1% of the time. That's the best anybody can do when predicting highly complex events.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by indyracefan
              ...I'm in the minority with Ren, I don't like it.
              We may be in the minority here, but if there was a statewide vote, I don't think we would be.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ren Butler
                So, in other words, you would be okay if the entire country dropped DST?

                Please correct me if I'm wrong. Don't want to put words in anybody's mouth.
                As an ardent supporter of DST, I can say I would be okay with the entire country dropping DST. It would actually provide more daylight in some areas, but less in others. Basically my preference would depend on which end of the zone I lived on.

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                • #9
                  Put me down as a person who like DST.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by NoviVespa
                    Put me down as a person who like DST.
                    Oh, we'll put you down all right...

                    It's okay to have that preference, but that wasn't really the point of the thread. It was all about dispelling the myths about economics and energy, and how it should have been handled thusly.
                    No weather forecasts are ever guaranteed, even if confidence level is high. Even a 99% probability will miss 1% of the time. That's the best anybody can do when predicting highly complex events.

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                    • #11
                      ...perhaps I'm too cynical but just how often anymore do you accept and trust politicians/government telling the whole truth and/or doing what's best for the people and not business? Sadly I question as much if not more than I trust.
                      ​a bad day at the race track beats a good day at work

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                      • #12
                        Well stated, indyracefan.

                        The problem is, it wasn't just the politicians lying to us. There was a small but vocal faction of business-people, and unaffiliated others, supporting DST with the same lie.
                        No weather forecasts are ever guaranteed, even if confidence level is high. Even a 99% probability will miss 1% of the time. That's the best anybody can do when predicting highly complex events.

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                        • #13
                          Quotes from the Indy Star that Ren failed to mention:

                          "South Grove is the closest course to Downtown and people working Downtown used to run out here and play nine holes before dark," Don Essig said. "Now they can drive home from work, change clothes and play somewhere close to home."

                          Ted Bishop, head professional and part owner of the Legends of Indiana Golf Course in Franklin, buys Essig's theory. Evening play at the Legends is up 10 percent to 15 percent. Two twilight leagues have been added.

                          "Overall, we're up a little bit but I don't think anybody has seen a huge increase. Losing those early weekend times really hurt."

                          Weekend mornings bring premium green fees. Courses almost uniformly offer reduced "twilight rates" in the evening, weekdays and weekends.

                          Allow me to summarize for you.

                          MORE PEOPLE ARE PLAYING MORE GOLF.

                          The courses may not fare as well because the evening tee times pay less than the morning tee times but...

                          MORE PEOPLE ARE PLAYING MORE GOLF.




                          I wonder why Ren didn't mention this....?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by crispy
                            MORE PEOPLE ARE PLAYING MORE GOLF.

                            The courses may not fare well because the evening tee times pay less than the morning but...

                            MORE PEOPLE ARE PLAYING MORE GOLF.[/COLOR]




                            I wonder why Ren didn't mention this....?
                            More golf, at that one location, out of several mentioned in the article.

                            Oh, I'm sure they're happy to have a few more people play for less money. After all, they're in business not to make money. Right?

                            Come on, dude, you gotta catch up eventually.
                            No weather forecasts are ever guaranteed, even if confidence level is high. Even a 99% probability will miss 1% of the time. That's the best anybody can do when predicting highly complex events.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Ren Butler
                              More golf, at that one location, out of several mentioned in the article.

                              Oh, I'm sure they're happy to have a few more people play for less money. After all, they're in business not to make money. Right?

                              Come on, dude, you gotta catch up eventually.
                              The whole gist of the article is that DST may not be great for golf courses but it is good for GOLFERS.

                              I'm not a golf course. Are you?

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