Reality & Brett Favre

[D. Heimgartner]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=paolantonio_sal&id=3281535

Favre barely makes my Top 10 of All Time (behind Steve Young and ahead of Tarkington).

[SoDak_IndyFan]

I think you intended this for the OT forum but, as heated as any discussion on this topic will probably get, maybe this is the correct forum!

[thehairpin]

Here's all you need to know about great quarterbacks:

Otto Graham
10 year career
10 championship games
7-3 record in those games
That is GREATNESS!!!!!!!

[comfortably numb]

ESPN Fan voting:
Rank-Player-#1 Votes
1 Montana (27,826) 1,267,553
2 Favre (19,563) 1,155,152
3 Marino (4,917) 1,046,675
4 Elway (4,284) 1,004,116
5 Brady (4,065) 863,074
6 P. Manning (1,943) 861,422
7 Unitas (3,725) 838,243
8 Bradshaw (929) 723,401
9 Young (394) 671,064
10 Starr (672) 638,382
11 Aikman (635) 608,451
12 Staubach (435) 550,212
13 Namath (299) 451,300
14 Tarkenton (211) 383,654
15 Baugh (283) 358,017
16 Graham (570) 351,088
17 Fouts (67) 339,085
18 Moon (94) 291,591
19 Griese (33) 281,557
20 Simms (125) 274,426

[GrandView]

If you started to remove Favre's records one at a time.........wins, TD's, completions, yardage, consecutive starts, etc........

........how far do you have to go before he wouldn't be as popular as he now is?

Fans aren't prone to pragmatic assessments.

Favre is more than a professional athlete........he's a personality.

So.....is it the fault of the media for erroneously creating that personality? I don't think so. He is what he is, and for thousands....that was enough.

[Truth Detector]

ESPN Fan voting:
Rank-Player-#1 Votes
1 Montana (27,826) 1,267,553
2 Favre (19,563) 1,155,152
3 Marino (4,917) 1,046,675
4 Elway (4,284) 1,004,116
5 Brady (4,065) 863,074
6 P. Manning (1,943) 861,422
7 Unitas (3,725) 838,243
8 Bradshaw (929) 723,401
9 Young (394) 671,064
10 Starr (672) 638,382
11 Aikman (635) 608,451
12 Staubach (435) 550,212
13 Namath (299) 451,300
14 Tarkenton (211) 383,654
15 Baugh (283) 358,017
16 Graham (570) 351,088
17 Fouts (67) 339,085
18 Moon (94) 291,591
19 Griese (33) 281,557
20 Simms (125) 274,426

Most people are stupid.

Most people vote for players they saw play in the last few years.

[Truth Detector]

Here's all you need to know about great quarterbacks:

Otto Graham
10 year career
10 championship games
7-3 record in those games
That is GREATNESS!!!!!!!

Wow.

Otto played on some great TEAMS.

If this was a thread about the QB who played on the best teams that might be relevant.

[StatMan]

1 Montana (27,826) 1,267,553
2 Favre (19,563) 1,155,152
3 Marino (4,917) 1,046,675
4 Elway (4,284) 1,004,116
5 Brady (4,065) 863,074
6 P. Manning (1,943) 861,422
7 Unitas (3,725) 838,243
8 Bradshaw (929) 723,401
9 Young (394) 671,064
10 Starr (672) 638,382
11 Aikman (635) 608,451
12 Staubach (435) 550,212
13 Namath (299) 451,300
14 Tarkenton (211) 383,654
15 Baugh (283) 358,017
16 Graham (570) 351,088
17 Fouts (67) 339,085
18 Moon (94) 291,591
19 Griese (33) 281,557
20 Simms (125) 274,426

Staubach should be higher, Namath shouldn't be on the list.

[Truth Detector]

Staubach should be higher, Namath shouldn't be on the list.

Agreed.

[rrrr]

I don't follow football. That said, Favre is one of my favorites. He has always seemed to play full out, no holding back.

When he throws a TD, it appears he is genuinely pumped, all-in, doing it for the love of the game.

No thuggery, no whining, no off field BS, just playing football at max level.

More athletes that get paid to play should look at Favre to learn what being a "pro" is all about.

[comfortably numb]

Yup and Yup, TD & rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.........

[Doctorindy]

I don't follow football. That said, Favre is one of my favorites. He has always seemed to play full out, no holding back.

When he throws a TD, it appears he is genuinely pumped, all-in, doing it for the love of the game.

No thuggery, no whining, no off field BS, just playing football at max level.

More athletes that get paid to play should look at Favre to learn what being a "pro" is all about.

The only thing I can say I never cared about Favre, is when a defense "had his number" on a given day (happened a lot against Tampa Bay and in the dome at Minnesota), he'd stink it up, throw five picks, shrug his shoulders and seemed to say "oh well." Didn't play with a fire sometimes when he was behind. They'd get behind, he'd just start chucking it down the field without much precision, throw yet another pick.

It was almost fitting that the last pass attempt of his career was an interception (in overtime) that led directly to the team's elimination.

I respect his career, and he will go down as one of the "great," but he won a grand total of one Super Bowl...that puts him in company with such "legends" as Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, etc. I think there's no excuse that he shouldn't have won at least 3 rings.

[MoparsRule]

Could someone give me a thumbnail sketch of Sal Paolantonios impressive sporting accomplishments?

[rrrr]

I respect his career, and he will go down as one of the "great," but he won a grand total of one Super Bowl...that puts him in company with such "legends" as Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, etc. I think there's no excuse that he shouldn't have won at least 3 rings.

Yeah, he should have been out there playing defense too.

Sheesh.