Why Aren't Debates That Criticize The Series Or It's Participants Allowed?

[gonzo]

Why Aren't Debates That Criticize The Series Or It's Participants Allowed?

You can't criticize the series.
You can't criticize garbage drivers.
You can't criticize sucky teams.
You can't criticize Danica Patrick.
You can't criticize Brian Barhart.
You can't criticize a race.
You can't criticize ride buyers.

If you dare say anything negative that contradicts the popular view on this board it is regarded as blasphemy.

Why is that? Are you going to try telling me that it can be as long as its done in a civil manner? Well, I'm being civil in this thread, am I going to be allowed to criticize this forum?

Good things come of open and honest debates. Why is trackforum so afraid of them? Why can't one poster say one driver is garbage and another poster say no he isn't and allow them the opportunity to argue about it just like they would if they are sitting in the stands of a race?

Seems like this forum has taken on the persona of the series where by everyone has to play nicey nicey and be bff's.

[doitagain]

I don't know where to start - you're not even starting from reality.

I'd be offended, but... nah. Not worth it

Hopefully the rest of the membership will set you straight on this. Folks?

[gonzo]

I don't know where to start - you're not even starting from reality.

I'd be offended, but... nah. Not worth it

Hopefully the rest of the membership will set you straight on this. Folks?

Doitagain, you couldn't even let me make a crack at Turn13 in that IndyCar thread you are so protective. God forbid I quip that he's quick with a heavy hand and you yank that darn comment so fast this little muppets head spun. I thought something was screwy with the forum, but nope, it was just you. What was the harm in that comment? What could possibly be so horrible about that little quip that it just had to get yanked?

[Gomer Simpson]

You can't criticize the series. Check - I've done that
You can't criticize garbage drivers.Check - I've done that
You can't criticize sucky teams.Check - I've done that
You can't criticize Danica Patrick.Meh, not so much
You can't criticize Brian Barhart. Check - I've done A LOT that
You can't criticize a race. Check - I've done that

I don't recall ever having a post or thread moved. Maybe, though.

[indyracefan]

You've shown that you can't debate others who disagree with you respectively. You on occasion bring up good points but they are countered with your perceived aggressively condescending reactions to those who challenge your view.

[9rows]

gonzo - have you actually read the threads here. nearly every one has something critical of the series in it. thats how tf rolls. someone is always griping about something.

[FTHurley]

If this was triggered by the "Why I don't watch IndyCar!" thread, my real objection to that was two-fold.

First, and most annoying, was the sexist crap. You don't like Danica? Awesome. But to say that if women are involved, it just can't be that tough or impressive is frankly ridiculous.

Second, and this is more of an ongoing nit that picks at me, is the reference to the glory that was the Reynard, and why don't they just bring back the Reynard. I'll tell you why. Because Reynard went the eff out of business! They got bought by a company that also went out of business, and reformed into a group that now makes Daytona Prototypes for Grand-Am. So unless you're want a DP-style IndyCar, I'm not sure how much Reynard can help you. Sure, the Germans had some sweet planes and rifles. They still lost the war, and thus I'm not particularly interested in any argument that starts with, "Why don't we just hire Messerschmidt to build us some planes, and we'll go and invade France!"

[Gomer Simpson]

gonzo - have you actually read the threads here. nearly every one has something critical of the series in it. thats how tf rolls. someone is always griping about something.

There you go again, complaining about TF.

[Luy]

This may be slightly OT, but I feel compelled to say it:

I come here to talk about IndyCar because I like IndyCar. I'm not saying IndyCar is perfect, but I like it the best. Unfortunately, there aren't many places on the net where one can have an intelligent, in-depth discussion about IndyCar, and TF is by far the best forum to do so, mostly because of the diversity in opinions amongst the membership, but also because the moderators keep it classy.

Having said that, I don't want to beat dead horses, not do I enjoy reading others who insist upon doing so. I understand that there is a segment of the fanbase who want Brian Barnhart fired. That has been made exceptionally clear over the last several years. I understand that some folks would prefer to see young American short track drivers given a shot before European formula car drivers. Those people have made themselves heard. Starting a fifth, or fifteenth, or fifty-fifth thread (or hijacking another) just to remind everyone that you're dissatisfied doesn't accomplish much.

I also think tone has a lot to do with how one's posts are received. For example, rather than starting a "KVRT Sucks" thread, a poster created a poll and encouraged discussion of both positives and negatives regarding the performance of the KVRT drivers. Mind you, I'm not saying there isn't a time and place to complain. I mentioned in the Rate the Race thread for Motegi that I thought there were too many long yellows, for example.

I guess what I'm trying to say is I wouldn't want to be "that guy". Two personal experiences come to mind:

On Pole Day this year, I met a friendly woman and we chatted about which drivers we liked, which races we'd been to, who was going to be fast, who might not make the field, etc, and I enjoyed it thoroughly. It was nice to be able to chat with a knowledgeable fan who was also enthusiastic about IndyCar, despite its flaws.

For the last part of Bump Day this year, we sat in front of two dudes who spent the majority of the last couple hours complaining that the cars were ugly, they didn't know any of the drivers, they were slower than they used to be, they didn't like the new qualifying format, etc, while I was trying to actually enjoy what was happening on track. They were a real bummer. That's not to say they aren't entitled to their opinions, or that they're wrong. I just don't see why they couldn't enjoy IndyCar for what it is.

[cbreez99]

I love the way that the mods get in and edit the posts, threaten privileges, and show their abosute power...over a debate.

There are chosen drivers and subjects that are off limits for scrutiny. Not good.

[doitagain]

What would be an example of a driver or subject that is off-limits?

[cbreez99]

I am not going to argue with you...retribution ya know.

[Chris Paff]

What would be an example of a driver or subject that is off-limits?

Paul Tracy

[Turn13]

Paul Tracy

Yeah, nobody can say anything bad about Paul Tracy here.

Hell, Chris, you've got more "protection" here than Paul Tracy does.

[gonzo]

I am not going to argue with you...retribution ya know.

Ya, one doesn't have to look any further then my post to you that got yanked about the hypocrisy in this place. I don't know if you even saw it and I don't remember the thread but it sure didn't last very long and there was nothing wrong with it. Mods just didn't like it. Guess it hit to close to home.